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Gallia is a Super House? - Thunderer - 08-01-2015
A few days ago I took a look at a thread about the population of Sirius, and I was slightly surprised. I expected Gallia to be a hugely populated House, but then I saw that it only had 20,300,000,000 planetary citizens. Those who live in space can be disregarded, as their number is insignificantly low in comparison.
Bretonia has 15,700,000,000 planetary citizens, while Liberty has 22,700,000,000. According to this, an economy of 20,300,000,000 is fighting an economy of 38,400,000,000, if we disregard the Council, the Crayterians and the Outcasts. Additionally, history has proven that totalitarian states have weaker economies than liberal ones.
However, Gallia had 500 battleships total before invading Sirius, 150 of which were sent to Sirius, while Bretonia had 30. I suppose other ships' numbers are roughly proportionate. But the same part of the lore (I think it was the readme of 4.86, not sure) I've read said that Bretonia was, at the point, the richest House of all by treasury, while we all know that Liberty was always the strongest economic power (but Bretonia didn't spend so much on its military or who knows what, I suppose).
Furthermore, Gallia have used up the last of their resources on building their armada, and all they have right now is what they conquered in the Taus and what little they are getting by partially open trade. Their forces are spread out and their supply lines are long and thin, while they rely on unstable jump holes. According to this, Gallia is but a mere information spinner, and they only appear powerful because of their military which can't regenerate. This pretty much reminds me of the Pacific war. Japan had a military only rivaled by Russia, Germany (its ally) and Britain (who were losing to them), while the US armed forces were the 16th in the world by their strength. On the other hand, Japan's economy was very weak compared to the US, and the stronger economy prevailed in an extended conflict.
So, if Sirius manages to prolong the war, Gallia is destined to lose. In fact, it is Gallia that is ganked here.
I have a feeling that the main reason why Gallia started the war is to calm its people with short lasting victories, but long enough to outlive old (by the look of him) King Charles XI. Après lui, le déluge.
RE: Gallia is a Super House? - Miaou - 08-01-2015
(08-01-2015, 12:19 PM)Thunderer Wrote: However, Gallia had 500 battleships total before invading Sirius, 150 of which were sent to Sirius, while Bretonia had 30. I suppose other ships' numbers are roughly proportionate. But the same part of the lore (I think it was the readme of 4.86, not sure) I've read said that Bretonia was, at the point, the richest House of all by treasury, while we all know that Liberty was always the strongest economic power (but Bretonia didn't spend so much on its military or who knows what, I suppose).
We did not have that many battleships. As it is, everything is ballpark numbers but I can tell you that 500 is way too many.
Also, Gallia is not a "super house". I don't know where you got that idea. It's been dealing with war for quite a while between the First Gallic War and now the Second Gallic War, which started before Gallia even had connections to Sirius. Yeah, it has a larger navy but people make it sound like they built them from scratch to invade. In of itself, Gallia is kinda poor on resources. It doesn't mean it's completely dry, but it's not as rich as Sirius. If it wants to continue to grow as a space-borne nation it needs more resources, which was the entire reason for the war.
Also, yes. Gallia will lose if it continues to steamroll. But you also kinda forget that they are only at war with two houses, not everyone. Gallia got what it wanted with the Taus and Leeds, the war is about securing their conquered territory at this point.
edit: Also infocards are poorly written and prone to be full of errors, I wouldn't take most of the numbers as completely accurate.
RE: Gallia is a Super House? - Thunderer - 08-01-2015
I put a question mark in the heading for a reason. It's more sarcastic than literal.
I explained why Gallia is not a super House, not even the strongest of the Houses, in the text below it.
RE: Gallia is a Super House? - SnakeLancerHaven - 08-01-2015
What if C: Gallia would be finaly treated as Unlawful? Yea I guess that would finaly put some sense into this.
RE: Gallia is a Super House? - Miaou - 08-01-2015
Because they aren't unlawful? Is expanding to take over territory to better their house the reason to make someone unlawful? If so, I believe every house is unlawful at that point.
RE: Gallia is a Super House? - SnakeLancerHaven - 08-01-2015
Not if you aim to take Revenge on the whole Alliance. The Houses don't take revenge of the whole population, but more have War between themselfs. Gallia clearly has bad intentions on the whole Sirius Citizens.
RE: Gallia is a Super House? - Thunderer - 08-01-2015
Found the lore thread: http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=48043 (Gallia has 500 BSs)
http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=45598 (Bretonia has 30; Gallia have sent 150 to invade Sirius)
Edit: About the Gallic stance towards the citizens of Sirius, you can find it in this thread.
"Meeting these demands, they say, would result in granting the people of Bretonia full political and economical freedoms including permission to elect the planetary Parliaments and local bodies of power. Refusing to submit would be considered a declaration of war that would result in the installation of the aforementioned regime by force. Even in the latter case, no sanctions or rights limitations would be imposed upon the citizens of Bretonia that do not participate in the resistance."
RE: Gallia is a Super House? - Lythrilux - 08-01-2015
Legality/Lawfulness of a faction is defined from the region it hails from. I.e GRN hails from the house of Gallia, where it is a lawful organization.
RE: Gallia is a Super House? - Miaou - 08-01-2015
It does? You think they expanded into the Taus and took over Leeds for such a petty reason? Please.
Gallia doesn't have a problem with Kusari or Rheinland. Actually if anything, they find them to be great trade allies. Gallia only went to war with Bretonia and Liberty decided to join in because of the bret-lib alliance. It's not Gallia vs Sirius.
edit: @Thunderer Yeah, lore made by Igiss. A lot of lore has changed since Igiss was around, including the strengh of the navy. It's more around 250-300 at the start if anything.
RE: Gallia is a Super House? - Rodent - 08-01-2015
I find the apparent necessity to have everything defined by exact numbers and to make perfect sense tiresome these days.
Gallia was constructed to serve a role, an antagonistic one. To properly serve it's role, it required power above and beyond what already existed in Sirius and was granted it via it's lore. Assigning any number to fleet compositions is an arbitrary and ultimately pointless exercise, all that needs to be known is that Gallia is a small measure stronger than Liberty, and several degrees stronger than the other three houses.
It's a storytelling exercise. JRR Tolkien did not bother explaining where Sauron got his hordes from beyond the basics. The evildoers in Wheel of Time have apparent access to countless armies. The White Walkers in ASOIAF have undefined strength but are definitely an existential threat. I could go on.