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Rules status of the Liberty blockade - MrCynical - 10-23-2008
Does anyone know whether the Liberty blockade of trade from Rheinland is within the rules? Myself and an [LN] had an ingame discussion about this the other day, and couldn't come to a definitive answer. My concern is what the admins said about the Order 'neutrality treaty' - that OORP decisions by factions can't be used as justification to attack people who are roleplaying properly within the Disco mod's established storyline.
The Liberty trade blockade would seem to come into that category - in the Disco storyline, the tension between Liberty and Rheinland is much less and certainly isn't as bad as a blockade. Can the Liberty lawfuls enforce this blockade within the server rules?
Rules status of the Liberty blockade - Zelot - 10-23-2008
First off this is an RP type problem, and people should come up with an RP type solution for it instead of whining about rules. Now, the conflict between Rhienland and Liberty is one of the established disco story-lines so how can playing by that storyline be oorp. These two nations are on the brink of war, of course there will be economic sanctions and blockades put into effect. Dont like it? Find another route.
Rules status of the Liberty blockade - Xoria - 10-23-2008
Quote:Neither individual players nor factions have the authority to dictate diplomatic guidelines or roleplay behavior to other players when it is contradictory to the intended diplomatic relationships hardcoded into the mod.Embargoes and blockades by lawful factions against houses with whom they are at war or increasing hostilities towards do not violate this statement any more than pirates robbing traders violates this statement : neither one does.
Rules status of the Liberty blockade - MrCynical - 10-23-2008
OK, cheers for clearing that up. By the way this wasn't a whining post - I was speaking from the point of view of an LSF, and wanted to ensure I wasn't breaking the rules before I participated in enforcing the embargo.
Rules status of the Liberty blockade - Doc Holliday - 10-23-2008
Carzor, I've noticed in my time here that if you disagree with a rule and explain why, you are dubbed a whiner regardless of the reason you use. As Zelot said, I found another route.
Rules status of the Liberty blockade - Fletcher - 10-23-2008
I was in my Sentinel and Guardian was in the area, we interdicted (stopped) a cargo ship carrying Diamonds by Manhattan. Naturally, me and Guardian assumed he was trading them from Rheinland.
We confronted him (sadly after he dropped off the cargo), and placed him under rp arrest right to an attorny, violation of Liberty-Rheinland embargo. However, me and Guardian couldn't really prove that the Diamonds came from Rheinland since a selling point of them is in Texas.
Upon further discussion, we were willing to let him leave under caution, innocent until proven guilty.
Out of the blue a LN pilot jumped in, along the lines of "Violation of embargo means 5 million fine". I was stunned at that personally, so in RP me Sentinel unit objected to the fine, since we didn't have any concrete evidence to prove he was in violation.
After more discussion, the issue was dropped.
I police the embargo, but only if I KNOW they came from Bering or Hudson or beyond.
This is just my two cents, but Navy units shouldn't be doing the police's job unless its necessary. I'm coming online more and I love my new kit on my Liberator.
Fletcher.
EDIT: Oh and one last thing, the 5 million for the embargo violation? A bit much isn't it? To me thats 'lawful piracy'. But a fine is all well and good in RP. But 5 million? Where does that go?
Rules status of the Liberty blockade - Boss - 10-23-2008
Proof of LN corruption.
-Wayne Hammond
It's things like that that in-RP forced the 522nd into the predicament we are. Not complaining mind you, it's good from an RP standpoint.
Rules status of the Liberty blockade - Agmen of Eladesor - 10-23-2008
I personally RP that the Liberty blockade is an illegal action by the Liberty government in violation of the Sirius Free Trade Agreement. If there was a signed declaration of war, such as there is between Bretonia and Kusari, then a trade embargo is well and good. But the SFTA, signed 30 years ago by all governments, allow for free trade, and they also state that any interruption of free trade is by definition an illegal act. (That's what makes piracy ... piracy. Just because it's being done by a government doesn't make it anything less - especially given the 'provocation'.)
So I just deliver when and where I want, and spout legal platitudes at any LN or LSF officers that stop me. (Especially since the cargoes that I DO deliver are ones that benefit Liberty.)
Rules status of the Liberty blockade - Fletcher - 10-23-2008
' Wrote:So I just deliver when and where I want, and spout legal platitudes at any LN or LSF officers that stop me. (Especially since the cargoes that I DO deliver are ones that benefit Liberty.)Does this include the LPI? Who lets face it have little to no political power in my opinion. Mere pawns... *Sigh* Thank God my Sentinel cannot emulate depression.
Rules status of the Liberty blockade - Boss - 10-23-2008
No kidding, else we'd wind up with a Marvin from Hitchhikers.