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Freelancer ID related rule questions | Admins please see - nOmnomnOm - 01-14-2016
Need some clarification on the following things that i believe need to be addressed before i go any further:
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Quote:Pilot carrying this quasi-lawful ID is a Freelancer, who:
Can attack any ship in self-defense or to protect an friendly or allied ship.
Can fulfill any bounty and escort contracts, and may treat transports as combat targets when executing a bounty or escort contract against them.
Cannot use any transports with more than 3,600 cargo, except for the Pirate Train.
Cannot participate in unlawful actions except as described above.
In rules, what do you classify as friendly or allied? Rep sheet?
Does this translate directly with Freelancer-based groups? Would you look at individual rep sheet or faction rep sheet?
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Bounty Hunting & Freelancer Hire' Wrote:11. Any freelancer or BHG individual or group may only collect on a bounty which that person or group has issued, sponsored or funded (fully or partly) so long as it is open to others to collect. All non-generic factions may sponsor internal bounties that are only open to members of the player or NPC faction.
This means that a freelancer faction on forums can post an internal bounty board as long as it is open for other to collect? Right?
Define "others" rule-wise, please. How open minimally can this be?
I'd also on the side note would like to know at what point does a list of ships from a faction translate into a blanket bounty. 5? 10? 15?
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Quote:9. The character registered on a board must be at least neutral to their employer, and hostile to the faction they are targeting in a bounty. This does not apply to assassination missions where the target is a single character. Board owners are obliged to ensure that the persons they are hiring have a suitable reputation. This means no hiring or paying people who would be hostile to you based on previous actions or non-hostile with the targets they claim.
What happens if one faction sharing the same ID is hostile but the other is not?
Do you look at the SHIP rep or the FACTION rep?
Does it matter if a ship would be neutral but the faction is red?
RE: Freelancer ID related rule questions | Admins please see - The Savage - 01-14-2016
AD 1 - I always thought that friendly and allied ship means same IFF ship (and same tag, obviously) or a ship that hired you. However, green would be good here.
AD 2 - This, I have no idea to be honest.
AD 3 - Bounty Boards during registation usually ask you for ID and reputation shots to check if you are neutral to them. Sometimes, you are required to post reputation with e.g. X or Y unlawfuls/lawfuls. About the faction, I do not believe it does matter tho... Elaboration on this is required.
RE: Freelancer ID related rule questions | Admins please see - nOmnomnOm - 01-14-2016
Gee man thx for the help
RE: Freelancer ID related rule questions | Admins please see - nOmnomnOm - 01-14-2016
Bumping
RE: Freelancer ID related rule questions | Admins please see - nOmnomnOm - 01-14-2016
anyone know?
RE: Freelancer ID related rule questions | Admins please see - The Savage - 01-14-2016
Pinning up to the questions about Freelancer ID, because I have a quite interesting question here. We all know that Freelancer ID with adequate bounty is worse than a pirate, because there are no negotiations, if client simply wants transport to go down. However, what if there's a theoretical statement like that:
"Hey, I've heard there's a bounty on you, it's X million credits... However, if you could pay me more - I could spare you."
What about something like that? It's not demand, but it's sort of extortion, an indirect one, as trader or other player is simply a valiable target.
RE: Freelancer ID related rule questions | Admins please see - Laura C. - 01-14-2016
(01-14-2016, 09:02 PM)FluffReborn Wrote: Pinning up to the questions about Freelancer ID, because I have a quite interesting question here. We all know that Freelancer ID with adequate bounty is worse than a pirate, because there are no negotiations, if client simply wants transport to go down. However, what if there's a theoretical statement like that:As far as I know, accepting is fine, demanding is not because it´s piracy which is not allowed with FL ID. Example you made would be probably sanctioned, because while veiled, it is still piracy, because you just used other words for "if you won´t pay me, I will kill you".
"Hey, I've heard there's a bounty on you, it's X million credits... However, if you could pay me more - I could spare you."
What about something like that? It's not demand, but it's sort of extortion, an indirect one, as trader or other player is simply a valiable target.
So you are not allowed to ask for money, but if the target will offer it to you by himself, you can accept. Model situation:
Freelancer: Yo, there is bounty on your ship and I´m here to collect it. You better move to escape pod.
Target: Wait, wait, I will pay you if you spare me.
Freelancer: I´m listening. But bounty is 20 million credits so you should be really convincing.
Target: I will pay you 25 million.
Freelancer: Sounds like we have a deal.
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To OP: I recommend to submit this as Player Request for clarification. This is quite difficult matter so even admins will probably need to discuss it before making statement.
RE: Freelancer ID related rule questions | Admins please see - Karst - 01-14-2016
(01-14-2016, 12:56 AM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: Need some clarification on the following things that i believe need to be addressed before i go any further:
1.
Quote:Pilot carrying this quasi-lawful ID is a Freelancer, who:
Can attack any ship in self-defense or to protect an friendly or allied ship.[...]
In rules, what do you classify as friendly or allied? Rep sheet?
Does this translate directly with Freelancer-based groups? Would you look at individual rep sheet or faction rep sheet?
I'd like to know about this as well. It's come up a few times, even in the context of sanctions, but overall people always seem to forget this line and I don't remember it ever being adequately explained.
Personally I'd say at the very least, a freelancer with non-freelancer IFF would have obvious allegiance and I could, for example, assist Outcasts on a LH IFF freelancer.
Quote:Quote:9. The character registered on a board must be at least neutral to their employer, and hostile to the faction they are targeting in a bounty. This does not apply to assassination missions where the target is a single character. Board owners are obliged to ensure that the persons they are hiring have a suitable reputation. This means no hiring or paying people who would be hostile to you based on previous actions or non-hostile with the targets they claim.
What happens if one faction sharing the same ID is hostile but the other is not?
Do you look at the SHIP rep or the FACTION rep?
Does it matter if a ship would be neutral but the faction is red?
Not sure I understand the question? If the two IDs share the same IFF, you cannot be hostile to one but not the other (e.g. [LN] and 5th|), if they do not, they aren't treated as the same faction.
If you're talking about individual ships having repsheets that don't match a factions, well....they should. You cannot hunt bounties on a ship that's neutral to your target, even if your faction's diplomacy towards that IFF is "red".
Quote:Pinning up to the questions about Freelancer ID, because I have a quite interesting question here. We all know that Freelancer ID with adequate bounty is worse than a pirate, because there are no negotiations, if client simply wants transport to go down. However, what if there's a theoretical statement like that:
"Hey, I've heard there's a bounty on you, it's X million credits... However, if you could pay me more - I could spare you."
What about something like that? It's not demand, but it's sort of extortion, an indirect one, as trader or other player is simply a valiable target.
I don't see why you wouldn't be able to do this, since giving the target of a bounty any kind of option over not being engaged is purely a courtesy from the side of the hunter, and always strictly better for the victim.
Even if you demand a billion credits from them or they'll be engaged, it's still technically better than simply engaging them with no demand.
It's not like they could rightly complain about "this hunter told me to pay twenty mil and they'd spare me, instead of simply two-line engaging!!!1"
RE: Freelancer ID related rule questions | Admins please see - nOmnomnOm - 01-14-2016
(01-14-2016, 09:43 PM)Karst Wrote: Not sure I understand the question? If the two IDs share the same IFF, you cannot be hostile to one but not the other (e.g. [LN] and 5th|), if they do not, they aren't treated as the same faction.
If you're talking about individual ships having repsheets that don't match a factions, well....they should. You cannot hunt bounties on a ship that's neutral to your target, even if your faction's diplomacy towards that IFF is "red".
For example like in the AFC there are a bunch of reps that are not rep-hacked.
If i engage as an example GC and i have it red on my rep sheet, but my team mate doesnt have it red but as a faction for argument's sake they are red.... can the other player hunt him or not?
Do you look at the Rep sheet or the rep of the faction?
Furthermore, what about JM and Congress? They both share the same IFF but have different personalities. As an AFC does this prevent me from targeting any of them because one is green and another is red but not in game?
RE: Freelancer ID related rule questions | Admins please see - Karst - 01-14-2016
(01-14-2016, 09:54 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: For example like in the AFC there are a bunch of reps that are not rep-hacked.
If i engage as an example GC and i have it red on my rep sheet, but my team mate doesnt have it red but as a faction for argument's sake they are red.... can the other player hunt him or not?
Of course not. "9. The character registered on a board must be at least neutral to their employer, and hostile to the faction they are targeting in a bounty."
If you are not hostile to the faction you are targeting, you may not hunt them. Simple.
Edit: Note, in this specific scenario your teammate may help you of course, under standard engagement rules. But they may not hunt a target that isn't already attacking.
Quote:Furthermore, what about JM and Congress? They both share the same IFF but have different personalities. As an AFC does this prevent me from targeting any of them because one is green and another is red but not in game?
Yes.
Problematic of course with examples like this, since JM and Congress have rather different diplomacy. But you cannot hunt them if their IFF is not hostile.
disclaimer: I am not an admin obviously and may be wrong about this interpretation but I'm pretty certain I am not