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RE: Core| - The Core Feedback and Announcement Thread - Corile - 05-04-2018
Quote:Because this isn't real world. If things were going by your logic, everything that was not house military would've been wiped out ages ago.
I stopped reading past this sentence, which already proves you have no clue what you're talking about. I understand it's fun to create Mary Sue factions with absolutely no connection or logic but at the end of the day it's more fun to have a lore which also makes sense. Yours, as you've freely admitted, doesn't.
Then again I suppose there isn't much to be expected from the story devs if they let stuff like that past. Oh well.
Oh, btw, since yesterday Corsairs got fifty gorrilion credits per day in funding from Cryer and Samura for Xeno Relics which are extraordinarily useful and valuable and are now able to take on combined militaries of Gallia, Bretonia, Rheinland, Core, Order, Outcasts and Zoners. Hope you have no problem with that because if you do, you're killing my fun.
RE: Core| - The Core Feedback and Announcement Thread - Lafayette - 05-04-2018
(05-04-2018, 05:49 PM)Implosion Wrote: + We are backed by multi-billion credit sirian corps and they don't have to hide it. That makes shifting resources and funds our way very, very easy.
Basically that. The richest corporation in Sirius (Interspace Commerce) made a hefty investment into the APM. Now one of the Big Three, Universal Shipping, signed a major contract to haul all materials that are so hard to come by in the Edge Worlds in very low cost to the Core.
While the Core nowadays has consistent lore and several money sources to justify most of their doings, it wasn't always the case. During the initial FP11 crisis days, the faction was claiming territories and assets which they were just ridiculous. But now is 2018 and the faction has matured a lot. There are still non-vanilla player factions which have zero justification to be that large so I think @Corile's valid points are far more suitable for those feedback pages.
That being said, I believe that for every positive development there is a side-effect too. In this case, the very strong dependency on Libertonian capital and bankrolling should be reflected on their RP and overall diplomacy should be closer to Liberty than any other House. I would like to see that being fleshed out, good roleplay is not just showing your strong side, but your weak one too.
RE: Core| - The Core Feedback and Announcement Thread - Foxglove - 05-04-2018
To be perfectly fair, there is some truth to what Protege says. Even if the Core is being bankrolled by big money, the fact still remains that the Core is currently hostile to every other faction in the Omicrons. The Core does not even approximate the populations of Crete and Malta, the Order roughly equals them in power, and the Nomads are a wildcard that also attack everybody. Given this, I find it highly questionable that a faction, who through lack of personnel alone should have their backs against the wall is actually expanding, or trying to. If anything, the Core should be more concerned with keeping what they currently have going. This is the only powergamey thing I see here.
RE: Core| - The Core Feedback and Announcement Thread - Implosion - 05-04-2018
(05-04-2018, 10:00 PM)Corile Wrote:Quote:Because this isn't real world. If things were going by your logic, everything that was not house military would've been wiped out ages ago.
I stopped reading past this sentence, which already proves you have no clue what you're talking about. I understand it's fun to create Mary Sue factions with absolutely no connection or logic but at the end of the day it's more fun to have a lore which also makes sense. Yours, as you've freely admitted, doesn't.
Then again I suppose there isn't much to be expected from the story devs if they let stuff like that past. Oh well.
Oh, btw, since yesterday Corsairs got fifty gorrilion credits per day in funding from Cryer and Samura for Xeno Relics which are extraordinarily useful and valuable and are now able to take on combined militaries of Gallia, Bretonia, Rheinland, Core, Order, Outcasts and Zoners. Hope you have no problem with that because if you do, you're killing my fun.
This goes to show exactly why I shouldn't waste my time on you. You pretty much chose to ignore facts and dismiss them as fiction. You wanted answers, you got them.
Did you like them? Obviously not. Did you even bother to read everything? Again, obviously not.
It's clear your purpose here is to annoy me and I have to admit, I did fall for it. My bad™.
So unless you have something that actually classifies as remotely constructive, I'd politely ask you stop wasting everyone's time.
(05-04-2018, 10:18 PM)Foxglove Wrote: To be perfectly fair, there is some truth to what Protege says. Even if the Core is being bankrolled by big money, the fact still remains that the Core is currently hostile to every other faction in the Omicrons. The Core does not even approximate the populations of Crete and Malta, the Order roughly equals them in power, and the Nomads are a wildcard that also attack everybody. Given this, I find it highly questionable that a faction, who through lack of personnel alone should have their backs against the wall is actually expanding, or trying to. If anything, the Core should be more concerned with keeping what they currently have going. This is the only powergamey thing I see here.
Last time I checked, we weren't planning to conquer or expand. The current plans, as it can be seen here: https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=146859&pid=1855256#pid1855256 , are rather obvious. Unless someone launched a surprise expansion while I wasn't looking, that is. That being said, I'm actually trying to change the whole "Hostile to all" thing. But I am encountering severe resistance. That is a thing I'm inclined to agree about. Core needs a few less hostiles and a few more neutrals, at least.
Furthermore, Foxglove, I'm not trying to present the Core as something more than it actually, currently, is.
RE: Core| - The Core Feedback and Announcement Thread - Lythrilux - 05-04-2018
I'll bite Prot because this is actually getting pretty funny.
You're clearing here posting pretending to be a "voice for all" factions but it's fairly obvious due to your incredible lack of subtlety you only really care about Corsairs. Custodii is your baby after all, so it's fair that you're concerns are focused on that. Just don't be so dishonest with yourself. Or this thread, for that matter.
Secondly, the hypocrisy from this just made me lol:
(05-04-2018, 10:00 PM)Corile Wrote: I stopped reading past this sentence, which already proves you have no clue what you're talking about.
(05-04-2018, 04:04 PM)Corile Wrote: While I haven't bothered reading the entire Core lore (becuase it's too wordy and subjectively not very interesting)
You do seem to have a problem with reading don't you.
RE: Core| - The Core Feedback and Announcement Thread - Corile - 05-04-2018
Quote:You're clearing here posting pretending to be a "voice for all" factions but it's fairly obvious due to your incredible lack of subtlety you only really care about Corsairs. Custodii is your baby after all, so it's fair that you're concerns are focused on that. Just don't be so dishonest with yourself. Or this thread, for that matter.
Tbh I spent quite a lot of time talking about this issue with people from different factions, the fact that I'm expressing my opinions here is just because those other people can't actually be bothered talking to you because nothing gets through, it's kind of like talking to a wall. I suppose I've learned of this as well now.
And yes I'm biased, I am perfectly happy to admit I am talking from the perspective of Corsairs but I'm sure my convictions are shared with more people who just choose not to post in this thread because they have less free time than I do.
Quote:You do seem to have a problem with reading don't you.
An essential part of reading comprehension is to be able to extract important information to the subject without reading the entire text. That's a pretty nice skill to have.
Unless you're one of those people who think that having 14000 words of lore is in any way beneficial in which case good for you. But just to humour you, I did go further into Implosion's post. Wasn't worth it. But just briefly:
Quote:You pretty much chose to ignore facts and dismiss them as fiction.talking about misrepresentation while almost entirely missing the point of every single argument in my post
Quote:When you want to eat some fish, why don't you go fishing yourself? What happens when you want some chicken nuggets for lunch?comparing nomad remains to chicken nuggets
Quote:Are you kidding me? Do you even know what nomads materials you are speaking about? Artifacts that are thousand of years old and fresh biological material?not realising Gamma has Nomad NPCs and Xi a direct connection to Chi
Quote:Last time I checked, countries didn't do any hostile takeovers on private businesses. Especially PMCs with the ability and the knowledge to hold their groundwhat are monopolies
what is competition
what is America doing in the middle east
Quote:The Immigrants Lyth meant are different than the one you assumed he meant.unironically thinking people would immigrate into a totalitarian state while each house aside from Gallia have higher levels of personal freedom
you Wrote:Totalitarian doesn't mean we kill our "citizens" for wearing the wrong kind of shoesnot reading what i quoted from your own lore
also you Wrote:The Guildmaster employs political repression, personality cultism, control over the economy, regulation and restriction of speech, mass surveillance, and if needed widespread use of terror i.e public executions.
and i haven't even gotten to that giant wall of text at the bottom, sweet mother
RE: Core| - The Core Feedback and Announcement Thread - LaWey - 05-04-2018
Corile have good point about immigrants. This is also why im personally try take away that "bloody communism" memeing from coalition factions - nobody wouldn't immigrate from houses with good level of life to far and dangerous systems to be killed by aliens.
But, there Core have justification, they just cannot say it right. Core and Order factions more about ideas. Like Core about their right wing ideology to get supremacy and Order with their conspiracy work to preserve humanity. People can join to Core because they dont have much of ideas inside of Houses.
Btw, this is not so much of peoples how you want, but yeah, they still exist, because everytime will be humans which seeking frontiers and supremacy.
Also, i think much more important way to making money for Core should be APM shipbuilding for corporations escorts and paramilitary parties. In free houses always exist place for bunters, so think Alabama should make money for producing snubs and gunboat from junkers scrap. Im just think, in really core guys can try adjust half or even more of their claims, but they just too fascinated by shiny nomad iridium things.
RE: Core| - The Core Feedback and Announcement Thread - Lythrilux - 05-04-2018
(05-04-2018, 11:06 PM)Corile Wrote: Tbh I spent quite a lot of time talking about this issue with people from different factions, the fact that I'm expressing my opinions here is just because those other people can't actually be bothered talking to you because nothing gets through, it's kind of like talking to a wall. I suppose I've learned of this as well now.
And yes I'm biased, I am perfectly happy to admit I am talking from the perspective of Corsairs but I'm sure my convictions are shared with more people who just choose not to post in this thread because they have less free time than I do.
Oh! Okay then! Be right back, let me just talk to this room full of Core supporters to get the other side of the story.
I assure you, in the past I have spoken to many people who have had problems or queries about the lore, even posting in this very thread. (SHOCKER) they even take the time to read the lore. We discuss issues, and we may point out reasons why each other is incorrect. Ideally, we reach a conclusion, that either yield a solution or we both come to a better understanding of each other's viewpoints.
It's about mutual respect. That's what feedback threads are, or should be built upon. What may come as a shocker to you, is that people are capable of posting in feedback threads without throwing shade, or making thinly veiled snipes, or just causing rabble for the sake of it. You've come into this thread (even before that in the mocking post you made earlier today that was removed) showing only disrespect. Why should I care about what you have to say at all? Why would I waste my time on someone who doesn't really care [about the faction]? I've endured these kinds of rodeos many times and your posts are nothing new. Implo is at least kind enough to play ball with you for a bit, so you should be nicer to him.
So I guess continue to post if you want so that you can jerk yourself and these so-called "others" off in whatever Skype chat. That, or grow up. Either way, I've got lots of popcorn.
RE: Core| - The Core Feedback and Announcement Thread - Lythrilux - 05-04-2018
(05-04-2018, 11:25 PM)Anton Okunev Wrote: Corile have good point about immigrants. This is also why im personally try take away that "bloody communism" memeing from coalition factions - nobody wouldn't immigrate from houses with good level of life to far and dangerous systems to be killed by aliens.
As Implosion said, just because we're Totalitarian doesn't mean we're killing people left and right, or that as a state we're a huge turn-off. The death penalty is saved for enemies, criminals and deserters primarily. As far as immigration is concerned, The Core sucks up the destitute, unwanted, cast out and entrepreneurs who want to strike it rich, and gives them a new calling. The Core also provides an alternative for those who want to abandon the Houses (like Zoners) but don't want to be completely alone and unprotected (TCNS makes for really good PR, even if it is a little bias).
Generally though, once Nauru is finished I'll be (hopefully) introducing a bunch of infocards for the planetary NPCs to add some fluff and provide insight into their lives, how they got to where they are, and I do want to construct some dissonance between what is advertised and the reality. I also want to construct a bunch of people-commodity centric trade routes (when OSC was a thing I originally wanted to set up a tourism route ;-; ) Honestly, the Gov part of our lore/RP does need a revisit from me to help flesh it out a bit more since it's a bit vague, as well as create more consistency. I will also just quickly announce that I've been due to update the lore for over a year now, and with my drive slowly creeping back I'll get to that soon.
RE: Core| - The Core Feedback and Announcement Thread - Wesker - 05-05-2018
Why are people complaining about this with the assumption that the story devs would let any of this be represented ingame or inrp.
The faction can talk about how great it is all they want, apparently people assume the word/opinion/rp of the representing faction has literally any impact - especially when it opposes the corsairs
