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RE: Core| - The Core Feedback and Announcement Thread - DarkTails - 03-30-2020
Order has Battleship Atum, Battleship Thebes, Battleship Amenta and whatever the one at Dab is named. Core has Mars and whatever the one at Yaren is named. Double the fleet power.
RE: Core| - The Core Feedback and Announcement Thread - xenomorph - 03-30-2020
Battleship Apophis is the one that's guarding the Dabadoru Station
RE: Core| - The Core Feedback and Announcement Thread - thisDerius - 03-30-2020
You forget to count the 4 makos that were guarding the jumpholes that connected to Rho before the Dev team removed them for no reason. With that, there are also 4 Bullheads (One remains above Durban) that you need to keep in mind. So no. Order has no more firepower than Core.
Core has enough resources iRP to mass produce Makos that would wipe the order from Epsilon, let alone Mu.
RE: Core| - The Core Feedback and Announcement Thread - DarkTails - 03-30-2020
Order has alot more experience in operatimg from the shadows, along with existing overall. Your speculated power is meaningless compared to what exists on the field, and as it exists on the field, the Order is more powerful and less centralized.
RE: Core| - The Core Feedback and Announcement Thread - thisDerius - 03-30-2020
I mean. It is the same relationship and stalemate as Liberty vs. Legion (Not exactly the same, but you get me). It wont change.
RE: Core| - The Core Feedback and Announcement Thread - Lythrilux - 03-30-2020
(03-30-2020, 01:27 PM)DarkTails Wrote: Order has Battleship Atum, Battleship Thebes, Battleship Amenta and whatever the one at Dab is named. Core has Mars and whatever the one at Yaren is named. Double the fleet power.
When Golanski and Vipex (Order| HC) were system devs they deleted our NPC Battleships out of bias. As far as the story is concerned, and pending a Rho redux, we're waiting for them to be re-added. Mind also the Amenta and the one at Apophis were added in my Golanski without any prior RP or construction, unlike ours. But as far as the story is concerned this lists our NPC assets before Golanski and Vipex touched them.
Otherwise, the Order began as a breakaway special forces group subsisting entirely on private funding from individual entrepreneurs - The Core is an organization with established influence throughout the sector the support of each of the Houses.
The Order, for years, had essentially a single base of operations (Omicron Minor/Toledo), containing both their military and civilian populace. That was lost, along with a huge amount of the Order's personnel and resources, to the nomad attack. The Core may have lost a lot of ships in that same battle but did not suffer as much of an infrastructure hit that the order did, and continued expanding because of that.
The Order has few allies to draw on, ostracizing both the Corsairs and the Zoners and really only maintaining a solid alliance with the Blood Dragons and Bundschuh - two terrorist/outlaw groups - while The Core has the support of House militaries, intelligence, house corporations, Zoners, Outcasts etc.
While the Order is trying to suppress alien technology and influence, Core encourages its development and use, and that certainly gives them a resource/technological leg up, not just in the military sector but also in developing new holdings and expanding their influence. Even more so when the ultimate purpose for this research is to sell the technology for profit - an economic sector they dominate in.
The Core controls Nauru which is the largest most concentrated resource of Iridium in the entire sector, giving them a monopoly over the resource and lots of profits from it. They were able to push Corsair influence out of Delta, and thereafter been able to invite Corporations into the Omicrons to increase the influence of both themselves and said Corps (eg their allies).
The Core was able to strike into Omicron Epsilon and destroy Lisbon station. Capetown also cements Core's influence in Omicron minor more so than Order.
RE: Core| - The Core Feedback and Announcement Thread - thisDerius - 03-30-2020
(03-30-2020, 01:39 PM)Lythrilux Wrote:(03-30-2020, 01:27 PM)DarkTails Wrote: Order has Battleship Atum, Battleship Thebes, Battleship Amenta and whatever the one at Dab is named. Core has Mars and whatever the one at Yaren is named. Double the fleet power.
When Golanski and Vipex (Order| HC) were system devs they deleted our NPC Battleships out of bias. As far as the story is concerned, and pending a Rho redux, we're waiting for them to be re-added. Mind also the Amenta and the one at Apophis were added in my Golanski without any prior RP or construction, unlike ours. But as far as the story is concerned this lists our NPC assets before Golanski and Vipex touched them.
Otherwise, the Order began as a breakaway special forces group subsisting entirely on private funding from individual entrepreneurs - The Core is an organization with established influence throughout the sector the support of each of the Houses.
The Order, for years, had essentially a single base of operations (Omicron Minor/Toledo), containing both their military and civilian populace. That was lost, along with a huge amount of the Order's personnel and resources, to the nomad attack. The Core may have lost a lot of ships in that same battle but did not suffer as much of an infrastructure hit that the order did, and continued expanding because of that.
The Order has few allies to draw on, ostracizing both the Corsairs and the Zoners and really only maintaining a solid alliance with the Blood Dragons and Bundschuh - two terrorist/outlaw groups - while The Core has the support of House militaries, intelligence, house corporations, Zoners, Outcasts etc.
While the Order is trying to suppress alien technology and influence, Core encourages its development and use, and that certainly gives them a resource/technological leg up, not just in the military sector but also in developing new holdings and expanding their influence. Even more so when the ultimate purpose for this research is to sell the technology for profit - an economic sector they dominate in.
The Core controls Nauru which is the largest most concentrated resource of Iridium in the entire sector, giving them a monopoly over the resource and lots of profits from it. They were able to push Corsair influence out of Delta, and thereafter been able to invite Corporations into the Omicrons to increase the influence of both themselves and said Corps (eg their allies).
The Core was able to strike into Omicron Epsilon and destroy Lisbon station. Capetown also cements Core's influence in Omicron minor more so than Order.
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RE: Core| - The Core Feedback and Announcement Thread - DarkTails - 03-30-2020
I wouldnt really claim Zoners as a friend when they were threatened by the Core not long ago during one of many FP11 conflicts. The Cores primary industry is export of Iridium, while it has to import almost every other resource required to construct warships. Those imports must pass by unlawful territory and frequest attacks and hijacking by those unlawful forces. The Core relies on house support as thats their only route to obtain otherwise out of reach construction goods. Order had already long been used to having their economy rely on raiding and making back-door deals with those willing to work with them. The Orders allies extend into the houses with a wide array of allied cargo raiding and opportunity for secret deals to be made with those that will work with them. The Core arguable has alot more to lose in a concentrated attack thsn the Order. Order has decentralized, spread out, and doesnt have a massive economical focus on a front-line territory, whereas Cores major economical hold is a front-line battleground between enemies of their own making and the Nomads.
RE: Core| - The Core Feedback and Announcement Thread - Foxglove - 03-30-2020
Small reminder that this is a feedback thread, not a Core/Order relative strength discussion thread. You're free to create one such thread, but from this point forward, I will invis off-topic discussion.
RE: Core| - The Core Feedback and Announcement Thread - Lythrilux - 03-30-2020
(03-30-2020, 01:58 PM)DarkTails Wrote: I wouldnt really claim Zoners as a friend when they were threatened by the Core not long ago during one of many FP11 conflicts.
That what makes it all the more impressive; they went from hostile to signing all sorts of agreements and building their influence, culminating in almost getting Zoners hostile to Order.
(03-30-2020, 01:58 PM)DarkTails Wrote: The Cores primary industry is export of Iridium, while it has to import almost every other resource required to construct warships. Those imports must pass by unlawful territory and frequest attacks and hijacking by those unlawful forces.
Delta>Minor>Alaska, Rho>Sig-15>Frankfurt and Rho>Sig-15>Sig-21>Honshu seem like pretty solid trade routes and at the very least are considerably safer than Order's options. There's not much room for frequent unlawful hijacking in comparison to lawful interdiction and patrol.
(03-30-2020, 01:58 PM)DarkTails Wrote: The Core relies on house support as thats their only route to obtain otherwise out of reach construction goods. Order had already long been used to having their economy rely on raiding and making back-door deals with those willing to work with them.
Whilst that is true - you can't argue that Order having an internalized economy that is almost entirely self-reliant would surpass Core effectively doing the same thing AND also importing goods from the Houses. First I've heard of Order raiding for supplies though, that wouldn't be good for their image and would certainly torch any goodwill they're trying to build. If you're implying that Order are reliant on supply raids from Core vessels, isn't that a bit contradictory?
(03-30-2020, 01:58 PM)DarkTails Wrote: The Orders allies extend into the houses with a wide array of allied cargo raiding and opportunity for secret deals to be made with those that will work with them.
Secret backdoor deals can't equal let alone rival open, public shipping routes and funding/supply though.
(03-30-2020, 01:58 PM)DarkTails Wrote: The Core arguable has alot more to lose in a concentrated attack thsn the Order. Order has decentralized, spread out, and doesnt have a massive economical focus on a front-line territory, whereas Cores major economical hold is a front-line battleground between enemies of their own making and the Nomads.
Well as I said Core did a concentrated attack on Order, destroyed a station, and got away with it.
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Located within the rocky outcroppings of the Hoff Dust Cloud, Lisbon Station is the secondary base of operations for the Order within the Omicron Epsilon system. Originally placed as a sentinel for the Order's garrison in Epsilon, the station was attacked and destroyed during a daring Core raid into the northern Omicron systems. Left derelict and unpicked for salvage, the station sat for years unattended while Epsilon slowly grew quiet. With a growing increase in Nomad activity throughout the Omicron sector, the decision was made for the station to be salvaged and rebuilt in full, and over months of hard effort and with the support of their allies, Lisbon was soon brought back into operation.Delta isn't really a big battleground or at the very least the major economic areas are not compounded where there is consistent fighting (ie the Iridium/Azurite fields in the Palau Cloud) and are firmly in places of majority Core influence.
(03-30-2020, 02:00 PM)Foxglove Wrote: Small reminder that this is a feedback thread, not a Core/Order relative strength discussion thread. You're free to create one such thread, but from this point forward, I will invis off-topic discussion.
Surely we can talk about what we want in our own feedback thread when it's matters pertaining to the faction, which would honestly be far more productive than splitting it into its own thread. This discussion is nothing new for the content of this feedback, or any feedback in general.