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{RL~ Red Lotus Society | Feedback - Red Lotus Society - 10-03-2019
Red Lotus Society - Feedback
Happy to see all of your comments, criticism and proposals.
RE: {RL~ Red Lotus Society | Feedback - Kampanom - 10-03-2019
Triads?
Based.
RE: {RL~ Red Lotus Society | Feedback - Keller - 10-03-2019
Looks promising.
RE: {RL~ Red Lotus Society | Feedback - Grumblesaur - 10-03-2019
Put your major thread links in the faction account signature.
RE: {RL~ Red Lotus Society | Feedback - Red Lotus Society - 10-03-2019
(10-03-2019, 06:00 PM)Grumblesaur Wrote: Put your major thread links in the faction account signature.
I wanted to do it after the MD thread is done, but there you go.
(10-03-2019, 05:29 PM)Keller Wrote: Looks promising.
Thank you.
(10-03-2019, 05:27 PM)Altzek Wrote: Triads?
Triads. Just covered lightly ideologically.
RE: {RL~ Red Lotus Society | Feedback - Enkidu - 10-03-2019
Looks really good. We need more China-esque variants of the Coalition. A Sirian Sino-Russio split would be extremely desirable.
Why are the Unioners outright hostile instead of neutral? The Syndicalists are effectively the Trotskyists of Sirius. They'd fully support the Red Lotus Society in undermining the Coalition. The Unioners are only hostile to the Coalition because they view the Coalition as totalitarian despots/The Coalition abducted 30k Unioners and put them on Volvograd as forced labourers. Are you inheriting the go-to rep of the Coalition shortly after your defection?
Best of luck with your faction. I hope you get members.
RE: {RL~ Red Lotus Society | Feedback - Red Lotus Society - 10-03-2019
(10-03-2019, 11:06 PM)Riehl Wrote: Looks really good. We need more China-esque variants of the Coalition. A Sirian Sino-Russio split would be extremely desirable.
Why are the Unioners outright hostile instead of neutral? The Syndicalists are effectively the Trotskyists of Sirius. They'd fully support the Red Lotus Society in undermining the Coalition. The Unioners are only hostile to the Coalition because they view the Coalition as totalitarian despots/The Coalition abducted 30k Unioners and put them on Volvograd as forced labourers. Are you inheriting the go-to rep of the Coalition shortly after your defection?
Best of luck with your faction. I hope you get members.
Thank you for your feedback. Unioners are Corsair ally and we are in heavy consideration of moving Gaians, FA and Hogosha to hostile section. Red Lotus never defected from the Coalition, I assume that criminal traditions in Coalition would remain. And that criminal sector would be the only organized structure beside the government and party. And Chinese triads looked like the most pretty concept to implement. Red Lotus prefers to stay out of the Coalition reach and becomes good place to run for Coalition dissidents. However, despite being runaways, criminals, and political dessidents they are still Coalition people and align with that faction.
And Corsairs are one of the main and natural enemies of the Coalition, along with the House governments. So Red Lotus prefers not to deal with Corsair aligned factions, it prefers to kill them. We will only develop on Cardamine trade as the source of income, but we would prefer to find an alternative source to make cash inRP and cut ties with Malta too. This is the Coalition faction in the first place, so we will fight against traditional enemies of the Coalition, despite having cold relationships with mainline Coalition faction.
RE: {RL~ Red Lotus Society | Feedback - LaWey - 10-04-2019
Quote:The Unioners are only hostile to the Coalition because they view the Coalition as totalitarian despots/The Coalition abducted 30k Unioners and put them on Volvograd as forced labourers.
Coalition see Unioners as typical traytors of long term revolution due their laborists/syndicalists nature.
And no, no filthy unioners on Volgograd (also, Volga is not Volvo, despite being a car too
(i know thats typo its just fun). They are on Jiang Xi, participate in further cleaning of irradiated zones and rebuilding of infrastructure.Quote:This is the Coalition faction in the first place, so we will fight against traditional enemies of the Coalition, despite having cold relationships with mainline Coalition faction.
What is mainline?) There is 3 Coalition OF, and 3 4 unOF including your one)
Okay now, dont think im picking, just feedback.
Gaians is easy to deal with, they are not Corsairs sub-faction after all and have their own diplo. FA and Hogosha will be your enemy just by origins.
Quote: Red Lotus never defected from the Coalition, I assume that criminal traditions in Coalition would remain. And that criminal sector would be the only organized structure beside the government and party.
NAP allow much more behind it. Army and Militsya pretty their own organised structures, as well as different departments. I'm advise to look a bit how authoritarian states like it work, it have monolith structures only on rare occassions when it become totalitarian, and Coalition passed this period already. //This is firstly turn us to question about time borders of your story)
Quote:. Red Lotus prefers to stay out of the Coalition reach and becomes good place to run for Coalition dissidents. However, despite being runaways, criminals, and political dessidents they are still Coalition people and align with that faction.
There tbh not much already, and only HWE tbh really bothered with dissidents if they dont cause problems and continue do positive work.
Quote:And Corsairs are one of the main and natural enemies of the Coalition
We are not hessians, cretens is notable part of Sirius Coalition. There was mainly political split between Elders and Pro-Socialistic goverment. As well Apostatas here. I just want to say - this is not age-old split as somebody can think. Only past 8-10 years. (there just mess with old RP dates, when it wasnt so good linked, but split was probably at 815-816) They are not natural enemy, rather political over vision "should omega population wealth be rised by goverment development, or by robbing assets and deep involvement in shady economy within houses." Coalition would rather like overturn Council of Elders and set sympatising goverment, using distaste of Cretens towards to houses to their benefits.
This long remark, because its all should be so straight only for military factions. You can try as well consider cooperations with ApS for artifacts/XR market and rival corsairs market as well to diminish Elders power, instead of Maltese which rather will shoot any Coalition descendants on sight (well, of course its too not so straight, and business can be business, just never say words "course of revolution" near of them, and you will be probably fine
)Okay now for the info.
Main pretension - its lack dates, what is important.
Quote:He would defy them all, though. Jing declined the offers he was made, instead choosing to go into a more civil career, overseeing the management of limited agricultural and hydroponics efforts aboard Zvezdny Gorodok.
Zvezdny was built in 817. Also this is very miltiarised base on orbit of capital planet, dont sure if they need even any hydroponics on it, instead of another assembly line for snubs. This is just not so old and general utility station like Zhukovsky, which is much more alike orbital city.
Quote:Morale for the People’s Republic was at an all-time low due to the awful living conditions of the average man in the Coalition.
What is considered as awful? On what it based? I doubt that Volgograd civilians at 8 age A.S. lived awful. Life in underground structures and domes inside industrialised snowball planet of course harsh, but i doubt it caused any moral effects since it was normal life for them. Just for note - dissidents appears only when that average life is not awful and they have too much free time
I will return to this topic in further.Quote:The bombing of New Moscow (Omega-52) and a general deficit of goods had made many people begin to take notice of the marked difference between the news telling them that “all is fine” and the stark reality of their plight.
Small amendity, infrastructure of Jiang Xi was damaged not far from bombardment by some another rebelion, period of Jiang Xi exports probably started even earlier. Another note, then this was before Katz, because Katz introduced NAP which made deficit very unlikely.
Quote:Scholars and intellectuals, or people who were interested in literature and innovation eventually found Liu Jing’s work, and more than a few found their thoughts aligning with the critic’s words. The Ministry of Truth began censoring his creations, outright denying publication of certain works that the Ministry found overly critical and likely to incite disillusion of the government.
So, life level not so awful if all those parasites allowed to exist?)
Quote:One day, Jing was approached by one of his followers, who introduced himself as one of the workers for the Ministry of Truth. The man warned the author that enough was enough for the Ministry, and that they would likely start issuing harsher punishments - imprisonment, seizure of property, or perhaps the capital punishment itself.
Not even so ironclad controlled then. Property...which property? Was it in Katz era, or so life level again not so awful?)
Dont think im picking, just there some flaws in mixing totalitarian traits and authoritarian, somewhere gaps of understanding how plan-economy state work for society (i mean, real flaws and how they are seeing from inside, not from murican propagand). But main flaw i consider lack of binding to time periods, because inRP coalition inner social/politic life cardinally changed from one charismatic leader to another. From total dictate of army in McIntosh goverment to liberal Katz and moderate Warner. You could wish make binding to end of McIntosh era to reach full convience.
RE: {RL~ Red Lotus Society | Feedback - Omicron - 10-04-2019
Quick question: Diplomacy towards The Order, if any?
RE: {RL~ Red Lotus Society | Feedback - Red Lotus Society - 10-04-2019
@"Anton Okunev"
I appreciate you picking and then saying that you are not like 3 times in the row. But that's okay.
Mainline faction is SCRA| obviously, SCEC and VI are closely integrated with them as it seems. I was under impression that they are merged.
Yeah, it's been only 8 years of being natural enemies with Corsairs, as if that's not enough. As for APS, we'll see, it will be hard to trust them.
I am very glad that criticism of the concept itself comes down to just dates and minor details. Now faction writeup reflects the point of view on the story of criminals and dissidents. You basically want me to write something like:
Quote:Oh yeah, the Coalition was great, it's just us being counterproductive dissidents and criminals.
But I honestly don't think that you should accept player RP, even if it's an official faction as actual switches in Coalition politics lorewise. NPC Faction lore cannot be built on "yeah that guy wrote that 3 years ago, but then 0,5 years later another guy wrote things differently". It's my choice to not rely on this heavily. I will probably look into dates and details that you have pointed out later when things are established and there's free time.
I could go the same way to SCRA feedback and ask why the socialist parliament is called Duma instead of the Supreme Council. Duma was Russian Imperial and post Soviet parliament, and those two are quite opposite to what USSR was. "Premier" title sounds like it was taken straight from Red Alert. But I won't do it. We are not the ones to be complained about "murican propaganda" and "real life from the inside". It was the other faction written by those who you call "murican". And it just screams about it.
@Omicron
It's the most neutral. But if we will find some business interest Lotus will push for warmer relations.