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[RHA] Reputation Adjusted - Champ - 07-02-2020
[RHA] has had their reputation adjusted with respect to Zoners.
What had happened was:
What had happened was:
This is not a sanction for a rule violation. But, the faction did en masse break the documented roleplay laws of the Zoners of Freeport whichever-it-is, and not even a little one, but the big and very old NFZ one. The one that meant that some Freeports had fields put around them to tell players they were entering an NFZ. And it just doesn't quite seem right that nothing happens when the Freeport was used as a base, and the laws broken, in pursuit of the destruction of a POB that aligned itself with that station. So with that in mind, the Zoners are mad at you. How long will this be the case? For a while. Is it permanent? Definitely not. Does it have any bearing on or indication of future canon story lines, events or diplomacy? Absolutely not. I'm hoping you'll see this as a logical, roleplay-preserving step, rather than taking offence to it. The alternative is that there are no consequences for it, which seems lacking.
This isn't a sanction relating to a violation of the rules. It is an adjustment that has been made to try to increase congruity in roleplay. Nobody has to feel bad about this happening. Feedback is absolutely welcome, so long as it is civil. Yes, I am demanding civility, because this is a space game and I made a single faction which is quite impotent NPC-wise angry with you. If you PM staff or post in this thread and you are not directly involved, you are consenting to be subjected to the reprisal of my choice which may involve in game repercussions up to a ban. Blaming members of your immediate family, neighbors, friends, pets, and assorted Orcs, Trolls and any other legendary creatures may result in the use of GM Right #CTE 750AE
RE: [RHA] Reputation Adjusted - Kalhmera - 07-02-2020
(07-02-2020, 05:09 AM)Champ Wrote: Feedback is absolutely welcome,
[RHA] HC here.
Either they fr5 or dont fr5. This weird adjustment has never been done before in the history of Discovery iirc. We are hostile but not hostile? This seems like a half baked fr5. Someone was upset about not paying a pob fee and got their base blown up. So to try and get payback they try to fr5 us to the Zoners but its not an fr5.. You get the issue with this?
RE: [RHA] Reputation Adjusted - Wesker - 07-02-2020
I still In my time playing don’t understand how the staff or the story team takes Zoners, Zoner “laws” (like seriously, read the faction lore and then read the definition of the word Law and tell me it makes sense), Zoner caps, or Zoner law enforcement seriously.
Everything combat wise about the Zoners is a huge joke. Battlestar galactica incarnate sitting in coronado has more of a place in discovery than Law enforcing lawless individuals.
RE: [RHA] Reputation Adjusted - Champ - 07-02-2020
@Kalhmera that is correct, this is not an FR5. This was not an action sponsored by any Zoner factions, so your diplomacy with them, as normally negotiated between player factions, is not at play. Official factions are not the be-all and end-all of what is reasonable.
RE: [RHA] Reputation Adjusted - Kalhmera - 07-02-2020
(07-02-2020, 05:54 AM)Champ Wrote: @Kalhmera that is correct, this is not an FR5. This was not an action sponsored by any Zoner factions, so your diplomacy with them, as normally negotiated between player factions, is not at play. Official factions are not the be-all and end-all of what is reasonable.
Then I expect future acts of violence in the NFZ from other factions in discovery be treated in the same manner? If this is not an FR5 then why is our reputation changed to hostile. Firing in the NFZ and punishment for said "crime" falls to the zoners to enforce, not the Game Masters.
RE: [RHA] Reputation Adjusted - Champ - 07-02-2020
GM enforcement looks like credits, equipment, and ships being deleted and locked up. Zoner enforcement looks like NPCs shooting at you. So, you have some weak little station pulses firing at you. As much as official factions represent the player population affiliated with an NPC faction, for an NPC faction as sparse and de-centralised as the Zoners, the official faction and the NPC faction are not the same (nor are they, in any case).
As for replication, this is a temporary measure, targeted against an official faction, for behaviour that was seen to be quite egregious, further analysis of which could be forthcoming. Perhaps the sandwich rule?
RE: [RHA] Reputation Adjusted - Kalhmera - 07-02-2020
(07-02-2020, 06:02 AM)Champ Wrote: GM enforcement looks like credits, equipment, and ships being deleted and locked up. Zoner enforcement looks like NPCs shooting at you. So, you have some weak little station pulses firing at you. As much as official factions represent the player population affiliated with an NPC faction, for an NPC faction as sparse and de-centralised as the Zoners, the official faction and the NPC faction are not the same (nor are they, in any case).
As for replication, this is a temporary measure, targeted against an official faction, for behaviour that was seen to be quite egregious, further analysis of which could be forthcoming. Perhaps the sandwich rule?
You misunderstand me, I am not upset so the sandwich rule does not apply here. I am trying to figure out why an entire Official faction was fr5ed but Not fr5ed without the zoners having any input. This has never been done before.
(07-02-2020, 05:54 AM)Champ Wrote: this is not an FR5. This was not an action sponsored by any Zoner factions
So this begs the question... Why is this happening?
RE: [RHA] Reputation Adjusted - Xenon - 07-02-2020
Excuse me, Does that also applies to the indies RHA?
I mean, am i able to dock with my indie RHA vidar cruiser to freeport now?
Thanks for the adjustement
RE: [RHA] Reputation Adjusted - Champ - 07-02-2020
Aww, I wrote a reply and my ANZLAG ate it
@Xenon, to clarify, only official [RHA] vessels are affected, as this relates to the faction's roleplay actions.
@Kalhmera, as written in the first post, which I know you read; this step was taken to increase congruity between actions in-roleplay, and the out-of-roleplay in-game reality. Nothing happening as a result seems inappropriate. So, we took a small, mild, temporary, impermanent step, to increase the relative realism.
I would hope that, as a member of the command of an official faction, you can understand that your faction violating the well-established rules of a space station in its immediate vicinity, then docking and resupplying on it without consequence, all while attacking an adjacent establishment affiliated with the very same station, at best is incongruous, and at worst is an exploitation of game mechanics (being that NPCs can't adapt their roleplay).
This action was taken for the same reasons that other official factions ask us to change their reputation to reflect their diplomacy and in-game actions, even though that means they have more NPCs shooting at them. That reason of course being so that NPCs act as they ought to towards them, and the in-game world makes better sense. That is of course, without impinging on the diplomacy of indies, or indeed the freedom to roleplay humorously or with some absurdity - neither of the latter being how I would characterise what was done.
RE: [RHA] Reputation Adjusted - Xenon - 07-02-2020
(07-02-2020, 06:49 AM)Champ Wrote: Aww, I wrote a reply and my ANZLAG ate it
@Xenon, to clarify, only official [RHA] vessels are affected, as this relates to the faction's roleplay actions.
Yea LAG is ugly when it happens
Thank you for the fast reply - Cheers @Champ