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Apologies - TankTarget - 01-29-2007
OOC: It seems that one of my comments seriously pissed people of here. And I am sorry for that it was an ooc joke that I thought would be funny and no ill was meant of it sorry to those offended by it. Do what you want with this.
Apology to Nussebull, I was out of line insulting you and am I sorry for it.
Again people do with my apology what you will...
Apologies - Kane - 01-29-2007
All right, this is not directed at you Tank but you would do well to take heed of these words.
I am tired of these apology threads! We keep seeing people write them, and then a good number don't do anything with them!
Here's an idea, DON'T SCREW UP IN THE FIRST PLACE! THINK before you act! CONSIDER what others will read from your posting! Even better, find someone at you house or something and let them read it. If they find it offencive when you don't intend it to, CHANGE IT!
Sweet Powers people, these are forums! This is not Counter Strike! Take your time in typing responces and actually READ what you write!
Apologies - Nightfall - 01-29-2007
Tank, not anything personal to you, but I'm sick and tired of hearing 'I'm sorry', got a bag full of those. Not to mention you said 'I'm sorry' repeatedly.
Have they told you the story of the man who cried 'wolf' in school?
One thing more to explain here, Bernard Fokke's request for 400 million is there to encourage RP and a bit of real cooperation between you guys, how many of you have large trains? How much does a large train make on the Cambridge-Corfu run? How much time is needed for a return trip? How much time is required for you lot to make 400 million? Do the math please.
If you were cooperating as true allies would, you would have fun and make the money in no time. Not to mention that you will realise that such an event repeated would make you money to buy 3 systems + pay for the design in no time.
But no, instead, you think that trading is boring.
Apologies - TankTarget - 01-29-2007
Actually I trade quite often so I don't appreciate the insunuation. And if I thought anyone besides Flyer would give me a dime I would ask for it believe me. I have no quarrel with you or the GoR and for the RP record Drake Thastus only works with the Lane Hacker's he isn't one and does not take Cardamine (I spelled it right, thanks for the correction the first time.)
I can make 400mil in a few days and I do trade a lot (but you have to understand I don't get much time on FL anymore only the weekends), which is why recently I revamped my trader and made it fully RP which is why I am doing the Cam Corfu run.
As for the cooperating, we owe AW money, Helghast ain't helping us and my people are the ones that never trade. I enjoy trading for the eternal record of the hallowed halls of discovery.
Apologies - Firebird - 01-29-2007
' Wrote:One thing more to explain here, Bernard Fokke's request for 400 million is there to encourage RP and a bit of real cooperation between you guys, how many of you have large trains? How much does a large train make on the Cambridge-Corfu run? How much time is needed for a return trip? How much time is required for you lot to make 400 million? Do the math please.
Slight comment: if HF is to pay this 400 million the Cambridge-Corfu run wouldn't be suggested since RP-wise they're KOS in Cambridge and their traders (HF tagged, of course) are to be impounded or destroyed. They're welcome to continue to offend SF regs and suffer the consequences but the KOS order stands. Their actions resulted in the order and nothing they have done has convinced me to withdraw it. Now if an admin steps in and says I have to allow their HF tagged traders access to Cambridge I'll do so, but the fact of the matter is the lack of access to Cambridge basically is a consequence/punishment for their attacks. HF the warning still stands, stay out of Cambridge if you want any hope of better relations with the SF.
Apologies - Malaclypse 666 - 01-29-2007
..."Treetop Flyer" time...
Apologies - Qunitinius~Verginix - 01-29-2007
<Snip> Helghast aint Helping us<Snip>
Yea, im sorry for that, I wanna create some mroe RP trading abse characters out there, but, as you know, I am the only one in my clan who does any trading at all so its ahrd to get money for our ships, let along anyone else.
@Nightfall: Get along and cooperate? We have always done that and we allways will, I dunno where you got that Idea from. (Sorry If I missunderstood what you were saying). Anyways, I don't allow HF OR Helghast tagged characters to join a group with my trader cause LAne hacker Junker, with a Gateway shipper? Doesnt seam right.
Verginix out
Apologies - Nightfall - 01-29-2007
' Wrote:As for the cooperating, we owe AW money, Helghast ain't helping us and my people are the ones that never trade. I enjoy trading for the eternal record of the hallowed halls of discovery.
It's not about you trading or not it's exactly about the quoted part, your supposed 'allies' and your faction members aren't helping or making any income whatsoever. It ddoesn't have to be trading, you're Lane Hackers, think of something in the lines of 'a special taskforce, joint effort of the Lane Hackers and Outcasts to give better training to the Lane Hackers (you're all good pilots just bare with me), was dispatched to help the Outcasts of Malta reduce the number of Bounty Hunter ships constantly attacking the system' and do missions from Malta/Ibiza if more than 5 players, divide into squads or pairs and do multiple missions at once, take high level 'Kill Ships' missions or something like that.
Doing 300k-500k missions in group adds up quickly not to mention the income from the loot which 3-4 players could pick up all of it from one mission. Or, you can hire traders, you can have a loan from the lot of banks just appeared throughout Sirius. Maybe get to do services from various corporations... if one doesn't work, something else will.
Instead, what are you lot doing? PvPing in Cambridge every freakin' night just loosing money. Not to mention it's probably boring as hell to repeat the same flamming and clogging up the server, but hell, maybe I'm just weird. I just thought of giving you a reason to encourage the faction of doing something together. Why do the factions I'm in last so long and are so interresting? We do stuff together, we share common experiences, we have fun together in the first place.
Various factions finance themselves in various ways. The IND are traders (finance themselves), the IND Epsilon Wing are IND escorts (they get paid by the IND and can moonlight), the GoR are fighters (financed by Kristy Pryde and Bernard Fokke, doing missions), the 8492nd are defenders of human kind (various organisations pay for their existance and keeping the Phantoms and such away). They all do what they are best at and they get money from it.
' Wrote:Slight comment: if HF is to pay this 400 million the Cambridge-Corfu run wouldn't be suggested since RP-wise they're KOS in Cambridge and their traders (HF tagged, of course) are to be impounded or destroyed. They're welcome to continue to offend SF regs and suffer the consequences but the KOS order stands. Their actions resulted in the order and nothing they have done has convinced me to withdraw it. Now if an admin steps in and says I have to allow their HF tagged traders access to Cambridge I'll do so, but the fact of the matter is the lack of access to Cambridge basically is a consequence/punishment for their attacks. HF the warning still stands, stay out of Cambridge if you want any hope of better relations with the SF.
Fire, of course I'm counting on the KOS status, however, the SF ain't on 24/7 and also, they have more members, some of them cn distract the SF while the traders are docking/undocking and escort them in/out of the system. And as I stated above, trading isn't the only solution. People working together as a faction are.
' Wrote:<Snip> Helghast aint Helping us<Snip>
Yea, im sorry for that, I wanna create some mroe RP trading abse characters out there, but, as you know, I am the only one in my clan who does any trading at all so its ahrd to get money for our ships, let along anyone else.
@Nightfall: Get along and cooperate? We have always done that and we allways will, I dunno where you got that Idea from. (Sorry If I missunderstood what you were saying). Anyways, I don't allow HF OR Helghast tagged characters to join a group with my trader cause LAne hacker Junker, with a Gateway shipper? Doesnt seam right.
Verginix out
Same that I said to Tank, not necessary trading, but as their allies, you can help them gather the funds. People, you can make money to pay five Dabs to each make a system and pay for five systems in no time instead of moaning that 'I'm the only trader in the faction' which brings the question 'where in the name of Bob did you all get the lot of battleships?', but I digress.
I hope I'm making a clear enough statement here. A faction should be economically justified, it has to make enough profit to sustain itself, otherwise, since you're the only one in your faction generating income, why loosing so much money? I don't get the logic of that.
Working together for the faction will keep the people loyal too, it's harder to leave behind something you worked for, put your own time and effort into making what that faction has in possesion. It will define the faction itself and the people that are making that faction.
sorry for the long rant
Bernard.
Apologies - Nussebull - 01-29-2007
Hi, I'm a lousy no-good powergamer.. Nah, just kiddin'!
Tank, apology accepted, don't make anymore of these, please.
While I'm here, I will apologize to you too, for powergaming, pissing you off etc, (IF I did it)
I did what I thought was best for SA, setting up shieldwalls and
some other crap.
I kinda flipped out when you said you were taking over planet Houston/Denver,
made me take a visit in your system.
As I mentioned before: We/I did not call for any help from BSG, (and quit calling us cowards)
they defend CA Minor, and can do whatever they want in that area,
if they feel threatened, they'll much likely go after you.
Want a fair RP fight? Don't bring ships stuffed with Coladas/Tizonas,
no one likes that, right?
I'm sure we can arrange a fight with equal number of ships
if you decide to attack again.
And that "fight" yesterday, our 2 battleships vs. your bomber,
I didn't fire at you at all time, I was keeping the guards
off Pheonix' back, he's a very skilled capship player,
he hitted you with razors several times.
No offense here, I've been PWN3D by a RH bomber in a duel,
I barely took his shields down. (I was in a BS)
You're not a bad pilot, we're just wayyy too good (j/k)
Nuss:)
Apologies - BestFlyerHere - 01-29-2007
Guys, we don't even do the Corfu->Cambridge run anymore. We do a better one...
Quote:Want a fair RP fight? Don't bring ships stuffed with Coladas/Tizonas,
no one likes that, right?
About the tizona/coloda thingy, It's RP for HF to use those, as we're neutral with the corsairs... We just kill hessians, and we get a great deal.
Quote:Same that I said to Tank, not necessary trading, but as their allies, you can help them gather the funds. People, you can make money to pay five Dabs to each make a system and pay for five systems in no time instead of moaning that 'I'm the only trader in the faction' which brings the question 'where in the name of Bob did you all get the lot of battleships?', but I digress.
I hope I'm making a clear enough statement here. A faction should be economically justified, it has to make enough profit to sustain itself, otherwise, since you're the only one in your faction generating income, why loosing so much money? I don't get the logic of that.
Working together for the faction will keep the people loyal too, it's harder to leave behind something you worked for, put your own time and effort into making what that faction has in possesion. It will define the faction itself and the people that are making that faction.
Night... what can i say? It really is extremely hard to coordinate a mass-trading event! Different time zones, homework, stuff to do! I remember lots of times when Tank and i set something up, but either nobody came, or we couldn't even come ourselves! Me, usually because parents put a limit for FL, and i dunno about Tank. I really only go on FL on the weekends, and thats only if my parents arent pissed off and let me get on!
I can't do FL in the week because
A)Student Council
B)Have to go to sibling events
C)Homework
D)Youth Group at church
E)So many more!!!
So, just would you give us a break... plz.