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KNF command leaving...where'd the post go :S - Firebird - 02-01-2007
' Wrote:When i got here 10 days ago i thought it was a nice community. People were friendly to me. Until we started getting bigger and bigger. When we reached 10 members all eyes turned to us. WE didn't pay much notice to them and withstood the attack, the insult, the spitting in our face. Our clan has been here fo a week and it has been attacked by atleast 5 people in 6/7 days. I do not see any reason why we of all the clans should be a host for these attacks. We have been patient. But I cannot stand it anymore.hmmm, this post was here somewhere before:unsure:...well i wanted to say something in the hopes of clearing things up so...
I can't have my members having to go around chasing terorists every time they are online. I cannot sit by idly as the SF destroy us. Due to this we are leaving the server. All our members that are staying you may do so but the high command is moving away.
k for this post Kusari = NPCs, KNF = player faction
Whoa, brakes...the SF attacking Kusari is with respect to the RP war built into the mod. Now, you're right depending on how you were to attack SF/Bretonia you would get a different response from the other factions in the same way the SF would get a different response for attacking Kusari/KNF in different ways. I have the SF attacking the shipyards since they're producing the Kusari NPCs attacking Leeds and such. If I was to have the SF attack say Kyushu then the response would be different from the other groups (hence why we haven't).
Now in our attacks on the shipyards, I was expecting the KNF to be able to fight back. The attacks started just before the pvp came into effect, not after. It was never my intent to have us attack Kusari and the KNF unable to defend, it is unfair (case of bad timing). This ban also affects the SF by putting us in the same position. Any pirate/hostile in Bretonia now has free run against the NPCs. Now if you want, I can limit the SF to just tau-31 (ie. the war zone) while the pvp ban is in effect. Neither I or any of my members would likely have a problem with that (plenty of NPCs to fight for both sides in tau-31). I would of course expect the KNF to do the same with regards to Bretonia though. Hehe, could have races to see which group could eliminate the other NPC faction's ships first:crazy:.
Now assuming the pvp ban gets lifted...the problem for Kusari is that at the moment the RP puts them very much in a bad light (they're claiming to be freeing tau-31 and yet are moving in on Leeds as well) so alot of groups support the bretonian position. On top of that SF has worked hard to have good relations with several groups. For the KNF to attack the SF, trick with that is how to do it to and gain support for your faction. I have an idea of what I would do in your situation, but me telling you ruins the point of RP. I'll give a hint though...what have the SF done by attacking the shipyards? other than reducing their production. How can our attacks be turned against us? The other thing is Kusari has made a point of wanting to destroy the outcasts, there are allies to be found in that.
Now not sure about the actions of the other players, but the SF actions have and should of been strictly in terms of the RP-war built into the mod. If it went beyond that, PM me regarding the incident and I'll discuss it with the member in question to find out the whole story and what to do about it.
Anyways, I hope your decision is not solely based on the actions of the SF since in all likelyhood the problem was just the timing of things.
KNF command leaving...where'd the post go :S - Teaboy - 02-01-2007
I posted quite a harshly worded post there. edited
KNF command leaving...where'd the post go :S - Ripper - 02-01-2007
Tahts true...KNF has been attacked by several clans...
KNF command leaving...where'd the post go :S - Teaboy - 02-01-2007
SO organise yoruselves and retaliate.... at some point
KNF command leaving...where'd the post go :S - Dab - 02-01-2007
True, the bashing of them does need to end. We need to keep in mind here that they are all fairly new members of the server..
BUT, is it me, or did I see "We've been attacked by 5 people in the last 6/7 days." on there as a complaint? AW is Zoners and neutral to all factions except for SA and SF. (We don't like the letter S:P[joke]), yet we even manage 5 attacks a week before no-pvp ban. 5 attacks isn't much. SF had almost 5 attacks PER DAY. So its not that bad. Its what happens when your lawful military faction-aligned. RM has to deal with terrorists and pirates as well. AW has to fight off pirates that don't obey our no-pvp in Theta law. (NOT server-rule, but we WILL shoot you if you do it:P)
The 'spitting' and flaming isn't deserved though. I believe most of it wazs caused when one of the KNF or KNT killed some military/police ships for the bots/batts. They needed to be told they shouldn't do that, its out of RP, but then leave the rest to the faction leadership to deal punishment. Not flame the entire faction.. SF has done its fair share of unfair and OOC tactics, and got flamwed mildly for it. Keyword, MILDLY. Someone does somethign wrong, tell them it is such, then tell their leader about it. If its a freelancer, tell him it is wrong, then go about your business. Let him dawdle and try to flame me. Just pretend the white and green letters don't exist..
KNF command leaving...where'd the post go :S - pchwang - 02-01-2007
Well, the SA got attacked pretty badly by several factions here too. Did we complain about the attacking? No. Did we leave? God no.
I really do not know why the KNF faction left...at all...
KNF command leaving...where'd the post go :S - In Flames - 02-01-2007
let me tell you about this attacks, the first one, well the first day when we finally decided to change our names to KNF f.e.a.r. clan block us, 2 of them where sitting outside kyushu when we had nothing but a gunboat and 2 starfliers, took us some time till they disconnected then we finally managed to buy our first 2 battleships
later 5 novapg attacked 2 of us, a gunboat and a battleship when we where trying to fix our rep to buy some guns, they finally killed us and leave the system, well then we realised that we needed more members so we formed 3 more fighters and a force or phantoms and novas 8 of them attacked 5 of us 3 of us with lvl 3 and 5 guns, we didnt had time to buy new ones, they killed us again, then finally we were working again in the rep to have the kusari naval forces affiliation but 3 pirates keept attacking honshu we only had a battleship a chimera with lvl 8 guns and a light fighter
they runned around honshu making imposible to the bs to follow and attacked the fighters 1 by 1 till they got bored and leave, then we got 2 more fighters still with lvl 5 guns some novas and phantoms in tokyo attacked them on sight till the rest of them gathered in shikoku we had to defend, server crashed in the battle, then they attacked honshu 4 of them 3 of us we had to defend, server crashed again then 5 pirates gathered shikoku again including 2 battleships and attacked our only gunboat i had to assist him with a chimera they killed him 3 times so i had to fight alone server crashed again 2 times,
then a day when i logged on a feeelancer told me a sf was attacking honshu when i got there he had already destroyed 2 depots and the freelancer managed to kill him i was never able to c him a few mins later 3 pirates attacked a trader in shikoku i had to help dont know sf logged of, now how exactly we were able to stop him if he was attacking when only 1 of our traders was online, after that when we finally got some peace and finally where able to arm a destructor, half a battleship and our fighters well console said that pvp was off and thats the story of KNF till today u can ask traders in honshu how many times we have been harrased
Edited by Igiss
Can you use punctuation maybe?
KNF command leaving...where'd the post go :S - Technoko - 02-01-2007
Did you have such a nice few days? I guess not.
Okay we are after all probably staying but we need everyone to stop these attacks. Our clan has little money and these attacks aren't helping. Not to forget, demoralising to the men & women of the KNF.
KNF command leaving...where'd the post go :S - Dab - 02-01-2007
What I think needed to happen, was KTA telling the pirates/Novas/Phantoms that you were still equipping your ships and reps (Don't know if you did this during the attacks..).
If you DID, what they should have done was given the KTA at least a week to start up and get equipped. True, SA was attacked fairly soon, but that was by the HF, who were Liberty pirates, so they should have gone to war, but the SA weren't shot at in their first week, except maybe a skirmish or two at most. Thats the time KTA should get. At least a week to start up, get used to Kusari, outfit your ships, and find who should be hostile, friendly, and neutral.
The fact that you didn't get this time resulted in the leavings of most of the KTA and KNF. There is a chance these two factions can break the Kusari curse, but not if other players breath down their throats for things, when they are still trying to get themselves used to the server and its workings.
KNF command leaving...where'd the post go :S - Igiss - 02-01-2007
I suggest that other factions should leave KNF alone for a week or two so they could gain some strengh. Right now PvP is disabled anyway. Later,.. we'll see.