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About the Zoner Saronson-Paradise - Karlotta - 08-12-2009
Dear Zoners.
Dear Allies.
Dear brothers and sisters.
How are you?
I am not well.
I am in hospital, recovering from a violent decompression of my cockpit.
I have some guncam footage made by me and a covert agent (affilitated with a lawful faction and reputated to be non Order, for security reasons, before anybody starts bickering), which may intrigue you.
Can you tell me what is wrong with the following pictures?
Diplomatic status Zoners
Diplomatic status Order
ID of Saronson-"Paradise"
Shot in the back by dual Battleship missiles
The last one was made after I killed an enemy of humanity who liked to call himself 'Oracle'. And after I was killed by someone who said this enemy of humanity was his friend. Someone who you seem to have sheltered and provided some resources to.
Mr Saronsen-"Paradise" called this nomad-lover who was posing as a feelancer his friend, and shot me with 2 synchronized battleship missiles, seriously compromising my hull integrity, very quickly and very unexpectedly.
Order brother Maximilian and brother BorbeniZec have complained about the same situation in relation to the same Zoner, while trying to liguidate the same enemy of humanity, on unrelated occasions.
Before any misinterpretations be made, I will state that I expect that you do the same unto your 'brother' Saronsen-"Paradise" as he hath done unto your sister Karlotta.
Furthermore:
![[Image: karlottared3.png]](http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3181/karlottared3.png)
Sincerely,
Karlotta Engelbrecher
About the Zoner Saronson-Paradise - Saronsen - 08-12-2009
>Incoming Transmission<
Source: The Jinkusu Juggernaut, Paradise. Saronsen Nighten, captain.
Playing..
Karlotta, I had warned you three times to cease fire on the Oracle. There was no sign of infection within them, and you had no reason to fire upon them. I even warned you twice that they are a personal friend of mine, and you were not to engage. You were out of line as an Order pilot, and I saw you nothing more as a murderer. You said "The Oracles are the bringers of destruction" or something like that, and then proceeded to engage him with no prior warning.
Before you go saying something about a Zoner engaging an Order, perhaps YOU should learn how the Order works. The Order isn't there to house criminals and murderers, such as yourself, it is there to protect the human race from the Nomads. Sure, the Oracles support the Nomads, but in no way, shape, or form has this specific one, Kayder, done anything to Liberty or the Order. There is something also well known as Freedom of Speech in Liberty, Karlotta. Learn your place, whelp.
-Post Script-
And for those other two Order pilots? Perhaps they shouldnt've fired Nova Torpedos, and Supernova blasts at my ship, nearly bursting my shielding. I had never fired on them, and I received no engagement notice. And unrelated my arse, they were your friends out to further provoke me. Please do shut your mouth.
About the Zoner Saronson-Paradise - Doc Holliday - 08-12-2009
*incoming transmission*
Comm ID: [TAZ]Doc Holliday
To: Captain Saronsen Nighten
Captain Nighten,
I don't know who you think you are but incase you didn't know, the Oracles are in tight cahoots with the Nomads. How do you know this one didn't show signs of infection? What equipment did you use to prove it? Mind you, the Order has specialized in this work and has the equipment to verify this whereas we Zoners do not. Worst of all, you fired on an ally, something we don't have many of.
As acting chair of the Zoner council, you WILL make reparations to captain Engelbrecher for whatever the repair bill was. If another report from you crosses my desk you will be ordered to appear before the SHIZL.
You better hope that this is a satisfactory resolve for Captain Engelbrecher!
Dr. John Henry Holliday
Acting CoZ Chairman
About the Zoner Saronson-Paradise - shadowjman - 08-12-2009
***INCOMING TRANSMISSION***
COMM ID: MCi|Miner.Milton[M]
TO:Karlotta
This is the miner Milton 'ere, Milton Montgomery. I was in the neighborhood while this was all goin' on. and from what i saw he was rightfully defendin' himself against two well equipped bombers that happened to do so serious damage to his ship. Now i have a hard time those missiles that hit you were intentional. if they were, i seriously doubt that you would be sittin' here able to write a report about it, them battleships class missiles can cause some hefty damage to a persons vessel if fired directly. You probably got caught in the blast there. now seein' as how you are alive, and if he wanted you dead. i assume you would be. i don't think that there is any reason to go up in arms against this fellow. well that be my side and view of this here lil scrap.
Milton out.
***TRANSMISSION ENDED***
About the Zoner Saronson-Paradise - Tenacity - 08-12-2009
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...Incoming Transmission...
Source: Commander Kaylee Staite, The Order
"Karlotta, you're getting a bit overzealous in your pursuit of these Oracles. Unless there is proof in each case of them working directly with the Nomads, or furthering the goals of the Nomads, we have no evidence with which to prove that they are, in fact, our enemies. I know it's frustrating, most politics are, but you cannot go around shooting civilians without proof of accusation."
"An investigation will be made concerning this zoner, but on the evidence presented so far, I'd have to say that you were jumping at the chance to kill someone on a hunch, and nothing more... and for that, it is your own judgemental error that caused you to wind up in a medical facility."
"Further, I notice you make mention of Ensign Maximilian in your transmission. That pilot is being tried in court martial, and is suspected of working with the Order Rebellion and breaking numerous security protocols, along with a severe amount of insubordination to superior officers. I suggest you distance yourself from his influence."
-End Transmission-
About the Zoner Saronson-Paradise - Karlotta - 08-12-2009
Dear Chairman Holliday,
let me first congratulate you on your new position as acting chairman, and also express my deep regret to hear that Chariman Malacalypse666 has resigned. I am convinced you will fill her shoes with the same wisdom, and your response has strenghtened this belief.
Compensation for the loss of equiptment is not necessary, for the most important and valuable thing you have already given me: the continuation of your friendship. I never doubted the Zoners determination in aiding our struggle to save humanity from the abyss, and knew that these incidents must have been the work of a single misguided lunatic.
If you permit and would like clarrification, I will now elaborate on the points brought forward by some communications related to this matter.
The complete series of events was as follows:
-As you already know, the Oracles have been proven, by numerous independant sources, to be working for the nomads by convincing weak and distraught individuals to give up their humanity and aid the nomads in overtaking Sirius. The oracles accomplished this by fooling those people with illusions of possible surrender and a better 'peaceful' life as servants of the nomads. Proof of the oracles plans include my personal investigations at a so-called 'shrine', to which the Oracle Kayder has directed me himself several weeks before I destroyed his ship (which sparked this incident).
-A covert agent had informed me that Kayder had been seen in New York. He was presumably preaching there and hoping to catch more souls in his web of deception, so it became necessary to take action. Not knowing his exact whereabouts, I contacted him on long range communications, asking for his position. I got a rather strange reply which implied that he had found out that I was a member of the Order. He also said he was 'smack in front of the Oracle Juggernaut near Manhattan', which I then saw as a joke, but now think he must have meant the Saronson-"Paradise". I moved to New York to liquidate him.
-After a few sweeps, I found him where I didnt expect him, exactly where he said: in front of Manhattan, surrounded by a group of ships. He had probably been preaching to them. One of them was the Zoner-marked Juggernaut Saronsen-"Paradise". As I came into short range communication range, I warned all those in range with the message: 'THe Oracles are the heralds of the apocalypse. You must not follow them' and opened fire on Oracle|Kayden. My ships sensors told me that Kayden was attempting to activate his cloaking device. He must have done so as soon as he saw me and my warning. I was nevertheless able to destroy his ship before it vanished.
-After I had issued the warning, the Saronson-"Paradise" told me not to shoot the Oracle. My mission was to destroy the Oracle and evacuate as soon as he was dead, so I payed no attention to any com chatter. After Kayder's ship was destroyed, I thrusted away flying slight corckscrew manouvers, to avoid some ill-aimed shots from navy and freelancer fighters that were following me. All of a sudden, I lost all my shield and all hull in a single explosion. THe last thing I saw before my pod auto-ejected was the notice that my ship had been destroyed by a cruise disruptor. At first I could not believe that the ZOner Juggernaut had fired its twin Battleship missiles at me, had hit me although I was thrusting away at 200 speed (missile speed 200) and had been able to destroy both shield and hull with 1 hit. It took some photographic evidence from covert agents and a conversation god (//Laowai) to make me believe that I had not been destroyed by some supernatural power.
-About the 2 other Order pilots Maximilian and BorbeniZec: I had retreated into prayer to clarify what had happened to me. I did not speak to anyone of this event except god. When I returned to the Isis on a medical ship because of a head injury, I heard two order pilots shouting in rage that they had been attacked by Zoners, and that they would seek revenge. I inquired what had happened, and they said a Zoner called Saronsen had fired on them. I had not instructed them to attack Saronsen or anyone, or even talked to them, since I was in medical care. I disuaded them of their plan to take revenge on the Zoners, and told them I would write a diplomatic post. This calmed them down. I did not know them, and I did not know of any involvement in the Order rebellion. Although I dont always agree with everything the Order leadership decides, a rebelion would only cripple the Order even further, so I am and have always been opposed to it.
I wont reply to what Saronsen Nighten said here. His irrational argumentation, self-contradictions, and lack of self control only strengthen my point that he is insane and has probably been brainwashed by the Oracles.
As for Commander Staite, I also congratulate you on your new position, and hope you will be able to fill Admiral Akamura's boots. You will find that the admiral had obvously understood what I was doing, since she chose the same path as me in destroying our enemies where ever they may be. I must say with all due respect though, that clearly you have no idea what you speak of concerning the Oracles. Everything I said can be confirmed with guncam footage, independant sources, and also secret recordings I made at the shrine. It amazes me how you are not able to see through their not very effective facade. I hope I can eliminate the last of them before they get the idea of removing the 'Oracle|' markings on their ships, which would considerably hamper our efforts. We still need to kill Oracle Sev, and that infamous Oracle Miranda. She appears to have gone into hiding.
About the Zoner Saronson-Paradise - Tenacity - 08-12-2009
...Incoming Transmission...
Source: Commander Kaylee Staite, The Order
"I know enough about them from what I've read in the Order archives. The fact remains that if we go around Sirius shooting anyone we want and using the excuse that they're nomad-lovers to justify it, we'll only become the terrorists that everyone thought we were during the Nomad war. Unless there is proof in each individual encounter of a human being infected, or directly assisting a Nomad, we cannot attack them."
"Your guncam doesnt show any evidence of that pilot doing any of the above. Were there nomad specimens in his cargo hold? Did you use your fighter's integrated scanners to detect a nomad parasite within him? Where is the record of this pilot, infected or not, acting in coordination with aliens?"
"As I said, it may be frustrating, but you cannot fire on someone without due evidence and cause. The Oracles dont paint their ships with nomad-loving graffitti, and I honestly think you're starting to lose focus of your purpose as an Order pilot in favor of going on a killing spree. In this situation, it appears as if the Zoner commander was doing nothing other than protecting a civilian who did not display any signs of being infected."
-End Transmission-
//Faction tags are not in-RP information, and using them to specifically attack someone unless a bounty is placed on that individual is considered metagaming. Follow the rules of your ID - if the target is not helping keepers/nomads/etc. in combat, or does not have allied pilots, nomad remains/technology, or other order contraband in his cargo hold, you cannot attack him.//
About the Zoner Saronson-Paradise - Saronsen - 08-12-2009
>Streaming audio<
Lack of self control? Self contradictions? I did nothing but defend someone after you engaged them, and destroyed their transport, and defended the hundreds of men, women, children, and crewmembers aboard my vessel! The Oracles may be all for the Nomads, but who are we to judge when some of us believe in false things as well? I have not been 'brainwashed' by any of the Oracles, I've only befriended the person outside of the preacher. There is a difference between friendship and protecting innocent people, and brainwashed and attacking the Order. If I was "brainwashed" as you said I were, I would be attacking Order at will, or just preaching from the security of my Jinkusu!
And if those two other Order pilots were unrelated, how come they mentioned the incident you were in, as well as your name? Perhaps you should be more careful about what mindless thugs you send in to take care of a job.
//And as for the disconnection of Kayden, he was lagging out at the time you were engaging. That's why he sorta sat still.
About the Zoner Saronson-Paradise - Karlotta - 08-12-2009
Commander Staite seems to have some trouble understanding or remembering what I said in my previous messages. I did not say they were infected or carrying any other nomad biomass in their ships. I said they were working for the nomads, and were traitors to humanity.
I also put it to you that we are not the justice system of Liberty. Not police, lawyers, judges, jury or accountants. We are a military organisation that faces the nomad threat. By any means necessary.
I do not know what your work consisted of before you became the commmander of a carrier, but let me tell you this: the Order is not a public relations company either. Do you think we would have pushed back the nomads in the first war if we had worried as much about our 'image' back then as you do now? Do you think humanity would have had any chance of survival if the "Donau" had not been destroyed in front of Manhattan before it could infect president Jacobi? The same threat is active again. In the case of the Oracles, the infection is not biological but mental. And they are infecting hundreds of people every day, one obvious example is the Zoner Nighten.
Nighten!
You can see he lost all sense of rational thinking and was clearly brainwashed. He contradicts himself by first saying there was no reason for the Order to kill Kayden, then saying that the Order protects humanity from nomads, and then admitting the Oracles work for the nomads. He is clearly insane.
If the other two Order pilots mentioned that the Zoner had destroyed my ship, they must have either gotten this information from an automated message, or another person must have told them. I did not speak to anyone about it before I overheard them saying that a Zoner had attacked them. I suggest you ask them yourselves, since I am not in contact with them.
----End of transmission-----
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OORP removed
About the Zoner Saronson-Paradise - Saronsen - 08-12-2009
>Steaming audio<
They do not work for the Nomads. If they did, they would have infested all of Sirius by now. They go willy-nilly around the houses with no restrictions. Why? Because they are no threat to humanity, they just have their own beliefs, be them religious or otherwise. It's like the old practice of killing someone who worships a god with a different name from yours. Or killing someone because they looked at you wrong, or said something you didnt like. You engaged them on the belief you thought they were assisting the Nomads, but yet you yourself have no proof that they have had contact with Nomads, let alone assisted them with anything. If you wish for yourself to be useful Karlotta, you should remain out of Liberty. I've seen your actions before. You've engaged me without warning LONG before the Oracles appeared.
Remember that one time, long ago, I was a Lane Hacker? I was flying a Broadsword and said "I think it would be a good idea to get out of Liberty, it's dangerous for Order here." Does that ring a bell? How about when you fired lasers and missiles in my face four seconds after that? And then when I confronted you, it was apparently a threat. You've always been the one causing trouble Karlotta, alot more trouble than I've caused.