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Signature Request... Advice handouts... - Calego - 09-14-2009

Alrighty I'm going to try something a little different here.
Pardon me if I'm overly frank with you all... But this I simply state it like I see it.
I've noticed a lot of people making signatures for the various requests out there. Even a few "free signatures" threads. I've also been seeing a lot of what I'd call sub-par (like really sub-par) sigs among these. Now I know we all start somewhere, shoot you should see some of my first sigs, but the aim of this is to speed up the process of growth. I may not be the best signature maker out there, but I carry with me an awful lot of advice from signature makers ten times better than me. I also have some advice of my own from my experiences. I offer this advice to you. I'm going to post a request once in a while here. I want as many people to make sigs for me as possible. Depending on my financial situation at the time I may even reward you depending on the quality of the sig (don't count on it, the main reward is advice and tips). I'm then going to take each one and break it down bit by bit and tell you what I feel you did well and what could use some help.

Sometimes the request will be for a Freelancer related signature, others a generic one.

I don't claim to be a "better" Graphic artist than the rest of you, I just claim to be able to help. Even the very best have room for improvement.
You have to follow everything on the request, peroid.
So without further ado here's the request:
#2:
Code:
Size: 200x100
Character: Yoda
Ship: N/A
Text: Calego
Background: N/A
Subtext: "Do, or do not; there is no try..."
Notes: Try some tutorials for this one. I'd try looking for some at DeviantArt, put a link to whatever tutorial you use if you use one, even if you just got an idea from it. Also Link to where you got the Yoda you used, any version of yoda is fine, but no "darth yoda" ones...
#1:
Code:
Size: 700x250
Character: Young Male with brown hair and blue eyes, Businessman like.
Ship: Firefly
Name: Notrag Lamir
Background: Space
Quote: "Nothing to see here..."
Notes:
He's a smuggler originally from Kusari. Adept at escaping Police and Lawful patrols. He's your contact for Blood Diamonds as that's his primary commodity but he also runs Cardamine on occasion.


Alright, that's the first one. Go for it.
If you have some previous works that you're dying to get someone to critique PM them to me and I'll give you my judgements.

Please, please, please don't be insulted by me here. All I'm going to offer is constructive criticism, it may be a bit extreme at points but don't take it personally if it does. and please don't defend your work to the point of being closed minded, if you do I won't even bother replying...

EDIT:
If any other people want to offer advice here feel free but I only ask that there be no insulting/taking of insults here, this thread could very easily turn into a flame war (I for one am rather defensive about some of my work). So feel free to comment on the works presented here, but do so intelligently and thouroughly (no posts similar to "That looks cool" See this for similar concept...).


EDIT 2:
OK I'm going to start putting up resources for people in this folder on MediaFire.com Feel free to download anything I put up there. The only thing up there right now is a Photoshop action that will generate a fancy border with one click. (its the kind of border I use) The point being to give you ideas for your own stuff. Maybe to help out some newbies too. I think I'll make another Thread For a list of resources for graphic artists, sound good to anyone else?
If anyone else has something they want to put up for free use I can either put a link here or upload it to that account.


Signature Request... Advice handouts... - Revan - 09-14-2009

This is my first signature for myself =D Critique?

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Signature Request... Advice handouts... - Calego - 09-14-2009

' Wrote:If you have some previous works that you're dying to get someone to critique PM them to me and I'll give you my judgements.

' Wrote:This is my first signature for myself =D Critique?

[Image: cccx.png]

Evidently you missed that part... Ok lets see.

Because of the style of the sig (something along the lines of minimalistic) it's rather hard to critique, but I'd say you did a pretty good job with it.

The Good:
  • You have a theme thats for sure, minimalistic (somewhat) dark (definite).
  • Very good color scheme, Black and Red blend together very nicely.
  • I like the phototreatment you gave the Crysis side it makes it blend with the black and grey part.
The Not-So-Good:
  • The thing that strikes me as not so good is the amount of "empty" space in the left hand portion. Its not overpowering due to the abstract pattern thing that occupies that side of the Sig (which is btw, really cool, I don't think I've ever seen that sort of thing before how'd you manage that, pm me if its a secret...I'm just curious), but it is still there...
  • The bottom line of text is a little hard to read (mainly the S's and what I assume is the M in Hitman).
  • The logo/emblem could be a bit bigger as it is rather hard to tell what it is at first, its two pistols next to each other with the buts in opposite directions right?
Overall Rating (1-10):
6.5 - Good job, some improvements needed though.

Suggestions:
  • When you have make sigs the very first step (after gathering the required stuff) is to gauge the size that the sig will be. If you have a lot of stuff to put in, you'll need a bigger sig, if there's not so much that needs to go in, it needs to be smaller. I'd have probably chosen a shorter size for this one, because of the emptiness on the left side. The Crysis part would then have to be more horizontal but with some work it would work.
  • One element of good design is having everything in whatever you're designing to point at the middle. Its a little hard to figure with this one because the Crysis guy is turning from the back, But I would have maybe put him on the other side, so he was pointing in.
  • Never compromise readability of text. I'll repeat that because it's important. NEVER compromise readability of text. There are very few exceptions to this, they being related to themes, but to be safe, NEVER compromise readiblity of text. You have to do whatever you can to make sure the reader doesn't have to stare at your signature for ten minutes to figure out what that word is... Make it bigger, use another font, do anything to ensure that the reader can read it.
  • I tend to like using a different font for Text and subtext. Not too different but somewhat different. It seems to add a little to the sig if you use different things. However with this sig it might have been just as well that you used the same one.

I'd like to see what you come up with for my Signature Request...


Signature Request... Advice handouts... - Cyberanson - 09-14-2009

It is not your expected size (because it is too big for in my opinion), but I think this is my proposal:
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Signature Request... Advice handouts... - Serpentis - 09-14-2009

Meh, I had some fun atleast:)



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Signature Request... Advice handouts... - ophidian - 09-14-2009

Pardon my intrusion but most of the sigs presented have typography issues, not image issues.


Signature Request... Advice handouts... - Serpentis - 09-14-2009

' Wrote:Pardon my intrusion but most of the sigs presented have typography issues, not image issues.

Want to explain further?




Signature Request... Advice handouts... - Calego - 09-14-2009

' Wrote:It is not your expected size (because it is too big for in my opinion), but I think this is my proposal:
[Image: 294mh45.png]

Hmmm... Interesting, lets see here.

The Good:
  • You've found your favorite style and you can use it quite well.
  • The Character you found is good, also has been cut out from whatever background he had very well
  • The Blood Diamond Sort of graphical effect is brilliant... I'd never have thought of doing it like that.
The Not-So-Good:
  • The Primary thing here I see wrong is that there is no Unifying theme or color scheme. Now mind you, the Firefly isn't the prettiest ship on the block but There could still have been a more unified color scheme. I think I'd have used red seeing as that's the color of the Blood diamonds.
  • The Background isn't exactly what I had in mind when I said Space. Perhaps I could have been more clear and said solar systemish but... yeah. Rather than a starscape I was thinking more along the lines of a Space Scene w/ planets and nebulae, etc...
  • The Text doesn't flow very well with the rest of the sig. For one thing its not in the best of places, being right in the middle and overlapping a bit on the ship. It also seems to be a font from a horror movie... Thats the Name, the quote text is what looks like the Freelancer Font, which is IMO extremely bland in all cases except when used in Freelancer.
  • I guess what I don't like is the lack of unity in it. Nothing seems to blend together to live in harmony with everything else in the sig.
Overall Rating (1-10):
4 - Not a total loss with some redeeming qualities, certainly not your best, I've seen and loved some of your other sigs, this one I guess was a little tough though.

Suggestions:
  • Try as much as you can to Blend everything into one masterpiece. The main Idea behind a signature (or so i've been "taught") is that every element is supposed to act together to form a single graphic. Blending is the main word. Everything, the text, the colors, the border even needs to work together.
  • This one is minor but still, I've found that drop shadows have the most effect when they goo off of two sides, rather than just one...
  • Try finding some good space stock and generating your own space backgrounds for sigs. If you already do this then great! But I'd suggest using stock on DeviantArt.com. If you haven't got a deviantart account get one. I've even asked two stock artists if I could use their stock off of deviantart.com (just because I'm trying to get into the habit of doing things in a more legal fashion)
  • Try to make more depth in these kinds of sigs, if you're going to have something pop out, make it pup out a lot. Not by a few pixels, it adds effect to the effect.
Generic Suggestion Newsflash Inside Tip to Newbies and Oldies alike...

One of my favorite ways of doing text is using the Layer Blend modes, Try overlay with pure white text, you may need to move it around to see it better or you may need to duplicate the layer and add a faint stroke to it, but this makes the text blend better.

Some of the best things in graphics happen by accident, so mess around push buttons, you can always hit Ctrl/Command + Z

Alright that's it for today, I'll come back to yours tomorrow Serpentis.

EDIT:
' Wrote:Pardon my intrusion but most of the sigs presented have typography issues, not image issues.
True, but I've seen my fair share of those with image issues as well. This is what I'm hoping to conquer all with.
For the less linguistically learned, Typography = "the art and techniques of arranging type" AKA Text....

Please, Rand, Feel free to offer any tips to the public here. There's no intrusion. I don't want to appear as "the man who has it all down" because I don't... I'm learning new stuff most every time I open photoshop

I meant to say this earlier but forgot, If any other people want to offer advice here feel free but I only ask that there be no insulting/taking of insults here, this thread could very easily turn into a flame war (I for one am rather defensive about some of my work). So feel free to comment on the works presented here, but do so intelligently and thouroughly (no posts similar to "That looks cool" See this for similar concept...).


Signature Request... Advice handouts... - ophidian - 09-14-2009

Serpentis -> Fonts, their applications are not fitting to the composition. They are either too "lost", too "shiny", too "front", too "back". Typography needs to be strong on sigs, its more important than the images, as sig ideas usually work around presenting the char and who he/she - what it is.


Signature Request... Advice handouts... - Serpentis - 09-14-2009

' Wrote:Serpentis -> Fonts, their applications are not fitting to the composition. They are either too "lost", too "shiny", too "front", too "back". Typography needs to be strong on sigs, its more important than the images, as sig ideas usually work around presenting the char and who he/she - what it is.

Ah right

Well, not sure if I should thank you or not..

Not yet anyway, since I havent decided.