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Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned - Dusty Lens - 11-05-2009
Quote:5.6 Fleeing in combat counts as a PVP death. Fleeing is: c) Moving more than 10km from the fight.
Consequences: If you thrust further than scanner range from a fight you are done. This sanction was made prior to the cruise changes.
Fined guns.
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Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned - pipsqueak - 11-05-2009
Dusty could you please provide me with the proof please?
I seriously have no clue what you are talking about.
PEACE
Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned - Dusty Lens - 11-05-2009
Evidence sent
Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned - pipsqueak - 11-05-2009
Ah I remember the incident now. At this point its not about the guns anymore. its about my own reputation so I will tell you my side.
I was flying from Manhatten to WP in my bomber (TL) when I came across a rogue GB (kool.Aid.Guy) attacking a Liberty fighter (Patrick Shelby). I rp'd and asked him if I could assist hom (as it certainly was a lopsided fight at that point (1 GB and 1 fighter) at which the LN pilot agreed. I advised the Rogue GB that I am engaging him. within a minute of the fight, I was engaged by VR (Trident GB- VR-Jada.Zachary) who showed up in the area (see pic 1 he is not there). The Rogue GB kept fighting Patrick and the Trident GB attacked me(the fight split in 2 fights). I thrusted to WP and the Trident followed me to within 3k of the station. Once the station opened fire. trident stopped. and stated something along the lines of "Target is fleeing". "I answered I am not fleeing, come and get me (he was around 3k from me at that time and the Rogue gunboat was around 8.6) he turned around and went back to join with the Rogue GB. I looked thru the system and advised other liberty forces what was going on. At this point other "volunteers" start dropping in on both sides of the fight (xyz, Navy.Johnny on liberty side there were more but I cant remember their names, No.refund and a few other Hackers and rogues on the other side...look at the radar on the picture). VR and Rogue GB started moving away from WP. Wish they had highlighted me on the pic where they show me at 14k in that pic I am siting by WP and they are moving away from me not the other way around (from 8.6 to 14).
After I had advised other ships of their location I pursued them back (no cruise) and caught up with them in the Debris field when Mr. Kool.Aid.Guy told me that I had fleed the fight and should not re-engage. I was on TS with Kindred and Weedalot and told them the whole scenario and they told me I could engage him. ( You may ask them if the discussion took place ). That is primarily to prove that I care about the disco rules and try my best to play by them.
By that time, they were swarmed by liberty "volunteers" and were killed one by one by them. (see last radar pic and count how many enemies that had).
Here are my questions regarding this.
1. If I am sitting by WP why would I run away when the whole base is shooting at that VR (who was within 3 k of the base) ?
2. If you have time, please talk to the other people involved in the fight as well.
3. Please notice in the last Pictures they are in the Debris field. These people were certainly moving away from WP and taking the fight away from WP. The initial engagement was around 8.6 of WP.
Last I will say, I am not a PvPwhore lolwhutter who likes engaging people. I work on both sides of the law and have worked for almost all the rogues involved in this fight from time to time. If you see the guns you took off their was no CD on me for the same reason, if the target flees, I have no reason to pursue him. My employer is safe.
P.S. These are interesting and pretty fight pictures.. with permission from both admin and the other party I would like to post em.
PEACE
Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned - atlantis2112 - 11-05-2009
I was Kool.Aid.Guy
Several flaws in your story.
Quote: (as it certainly was a lopsided fight at that point (1 GB and 1 fighter) at which the LN pilot agreed.
There were two fighters vs myself.
Quote:VR (Trident GB- VR-Jada.Zachary)
VR Doesn't have Tridentes. It was a Lane Hacker gunship.
Quote: I thrusted to WP and the Trident followed me to within 3k of the station.
I don't remember seeing Jada go anywhere close to West Point. I'll get her/him to post here, if you'd like.
You moved 14K away from the first fight. Meaning you disengaged, and the 5.6 comes into play. The second fight which occured in the Debris field happened a bit later. But you still disengaged from the first fight.
Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned - pipsqueak - 11-06-2009
Ah hello there....thank you for posting....
Quote:There were two fighters vs myself.m8 look at the pics you sent admins... you see two fighters there ? namely screen537.png how many ships do you see on your own radar ? may I post that pic ?
Quote:VR Doesn't have Tridentes. It was a Lane Hacker gunship.ok my bad you are right it was a lanehacker gunship. I guess Mr. No.refund that showed up later was ina a trident.
Quote:I don't remember seeing Jada go anywhere close to West Point. I'll get her/him to post here, if you'd like.sure m8, you may ask him if he pursued my bomber to WP. and if we had the discussion about target is fleeing when I got there. was he within 10k of my ship (for rules sakes) when he turned around to join you and my reply to him. He is involved in this incident so he should have a say.
Quote:You moved 14K away from the first fight. Meaning you disengaged, and the 5.6 comes into play. The second fight which occured in the Debris field happened a bit later. But you still disengaged from the first fight.Did I now... or did VR moved away from WP ? While you are at it m8, please define a bit later? because I started moving towards your ships immediately after contacting one LN. The reason why you made it to the debris field is because I was not cruising. Patrick shelby who hired me is still in the fight so if this is a different fight, why is he in a fight? how long does it take for multiple GB's to kill one fighter? Hope patrick posts here too.
Lastly, we are all here to have fun and it is never my intention to gank some one. Infact your ships all lost to other liberty ships that showed up. I even stopped attacking and was just flying around watching the fight early in the "second" fight because it was getting too lopsided at that point.
P.S: Again I was only trying to help an underdog. If the fight was slighly in more equal terms I would have either flown by or just would have watched.
PEACE
Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned - OldTimerAL - 11-07-2009
I was on the char Patrick.Shelby so I guess I should be allowed to post, if something I say isn't really understandable do drop me a line, I'm not that good in expressing myself ...
' Wrote:3. Please notice in the last Pictures they are in the Debris field. These people were certainly moving away from WP and taking the fight away from WP. The initial engagement was around 8.6 of WP.
True the fight started some 8 K from West Point and we tried to go near West Point so the gunboats would atleast take some damage from it (since we weren't having much luck ourselves), the JG was near WP first while I had either 1 or both gunboats (can't really remember) on me and tried to make it to there, but I was having trouble.
' Wrote:There were two fighters vs myself.
I don't remember seeing Jada go anywhere close to West Point. I'll get her/him to post here, if you'd like.
We never went that far away from WP in the initial engagement, but after some time you and the other gunboat went to the lane and disrupted it while sitting there. Me and the other LN xyz were waiting for some reinforcements...
' Wrote:You moved 14K away from the first fight. Meaning you disengaged, and the 5.6 comes into play. The second fight which occured in the Debris field happened a bit later. But you still disengaged from the first fight.
He didn't move 14 K away from the first fight, he simply stood near West Point and you thrusted away from him and stood near the lane, after we received some reinforcements he came back to us using his thrusters
' Wrote:Ah hello there....thank you for posting....
m8 look at the pics you sent admins... you see two fighters there ? namely screen537.png how many ships do you see on your own radar ? may I post that pic ?
Indeed it was a 1 on 1 in the begining, but then the JG came and so did the VR-, and some others...
' Wrote:Did I now... or did VR moved away from WP ? While you are at it m8, please define a bit later? because I started moving towards your ships immediately after contacting one LN. The reason why you made it to the debris field is because I was not cruising. Patrick shelby who hired me is still in the fight so if this is a different fight, why is he in a fight? how long does it take for multiple GB's to kill one fighter?
There was never a second fight, it was merely a continuing of the first one, so it should be counted as only 1 engagement ...
I am a hundred percent sure that the JG didn't break the rules, and that if he had disengaged/fled from the fight he wouldn't have shot at you again ...
... Altough I doubt this post makes much sense, I have about 20 screenshots of the fight so if anyone wants to see them drop me a line via PM or on Skype
Cheers
Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned - pipsqueak - 11-08-2009
Awright Dusty. I have about 20 more pictures of the incident which will give you a much better idea of what happened. Thanks to Alex BG. I can post em here or send them to you. Please advise where....
Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned - pipsqueak - 11-09-2009
still waiting....
Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned - atlantis2112 - 11-10-2009
Jada and myself have declined to participate or post in this any further. Nothing is ever solved by arguing in sanction threads, except earning a lock by page three.