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Order Light Fighter - Tommeh - 01-02-2010
Right, so after some talk on skype about new hathor model I remembered Order Light Fighter.
There were few designs, but none wasn't actually some fitting one, except maybe this one:
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...p;hl=Order%20LF
But seems El-Geeko is pretty inactive atm, so I guess that model is off. (if Devs even considered giving us LF)
So, question to Devs and to who ever it may concern:
Are there any chances that Order will get Light Fighter?
Order Light Fighter - Jinx - 01-02-2010
there re no plans about it atm. - does the order actually need a light fighter? - a light fighter doesn t really appear to be the ship of choice when you live in the edgeworlds. - and you won t get anything close to the nomad voidrunner anyway - so where s the point.
Order Light Fighter - Tommeh - 01-02-2010
Well, I think that some swift and agile vessel would be good for Order RP.
As Order operations in house systems should be exactly like that.
Bastet is still more like prototpye in RP, so such vessels wouldn't be sent on recon.
Nephthys is one of heavier VHF's, so doesn't exactly fit in that role.
Recon cruiser, well those are always killed on sight, as Order caps are not tolerated in most parts of Sirius.
Our Primary enemy has LF, which is impossible to hunt down in Bastet or Nephthys, so I would guess Order engineers tried to design something which can confront voidrunner, no?
I am not saying that it should be like voidrunner, but as Order being one of most advanced "groups" in Sirius, I would say that they would design something similar.
Order Light Fighter - Tenacity - 01-02-2010
Quote:there re no plans about it atm. - does the order actually need a light fighter? - a light fighter doesn t really appear to be the ship of choice when you live in the edgeworlds. - and you won t get anything close to the nomad voidrunner anyway - so where s the point
Most definitely yes, we do need a light fighter.
Take into consideration our primary enemy, at least in terms of roleplay - the nomads. Their ships are more agile (well, the one us keepers always fly, anyways) than anything the order has available. The situation is not unlike the disparity between outcast and corsair ships, though far more drastic - a titan will always be outmanuevered by a sabre, to a small degree. A nephthys, on the other hand, will always be outmanuevered by a labraid by a very large degree.
If the primary vessel of the order's enemies is a light fighter, logic dictates that the order needs something which can compare in order to be effective against them - in this case, the best option is to use a light fighter of their own. No other class of ship can kill a light fighter as easily as a light fighter can - it's different if our enemies are using capital ships, in which case the best ship for us to use is a bomber.
I've been pushing to get an order LF for a long time now, but nobody seems interested in making a model or getting it into the game.
Ideally, an order light fighter would take one of two routes, balance-wise:
1. Mimic the Labraid... few guns, but higher agility. A similar setup of, say, 2 class 10 guns, a class 5 turret, and a torpedo hardpoint would be the idea here. I doubt that will happen, though.
2. Mimic the Decurion - personally, that's one of my favorite LF's in the mod, both in terms of looks and firepower. It isnt as manuverable, though still very quick by light fighter standards, but it has 2 class 8 guns, 2 class 9 guns, and a class 5 forward turret, giving it plenty of firepower.
I'd love if someone could come up with a good model, a LF variant of the current order fighters (similar design to a nephthys or bastet, without the vertical fins, only a single engine, and overall having a shorter and skinnier hull shape). Right now, I'd prefer the decurion-style balance for it, maybe even copying that ship's stats exactly, but that would have to be up for discussion after the model and texturing are finished.
Order Light Fighter - Irra - 01-02-2010
I prefer ships with torpedo slot..
Order Light Fighter - Jinx - 01-02-2010
maybe it wasn t clear enough...
the keepers voidrunner is a HIGHLY imbalanced and utterly overpowered ship. - the order will not get anything to counter it on equal terms.
the voidrunner is small, has a fitting hitbox ( meaning its as small as the model ), it has the powercore of the heaviest VHF in the entire game ( 15.500 - like the werewolf ) and the greatest agility of all ships by far. it has an unmatched response time and an unmatched strafe and has a torpedoslot, a mine and a CD. ( and can fire anything the best VHF can fire )
it is the best ship in the entire mod ( unless you don t like fast ships ) - and since we all know that agility and nimbleness > armour and firepower - the voidrunner is the best of the best of the best.
before the order gets something even remotely similar - chances are that the voidrunner gets "balanced" to what others use.
the order may use the griffin, the arrow and other public LF - and thats about it.
i am ( and have been ) very opposed to the idea of "getting better ships cause the RP demands/ getting better stuff, cause one deserves it / getting better stuff, cause one is fighting against the odds" - but there we are. - however that does not mean that it justifies another faction to get something similar.
this will sound harsh and very mean. - but ... the keepers have their uber ship, - the order has to live with it. - you can ask the keepers ( who are at least a closed faction - and so are controllable ) not to use too many of the voidrunners but instead make more use of the assassin, which is better balanced - and.... hands down ... fairer.
Order Light Fighter - Guest - 01-02-2010
I recall Angel of Mercy made an Order LF heres the thread:
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=36908
images:
http://screex.com/b_9xfTDa58b0O.jpg
http://screex.com/b_mIFzm5Pfwny.jpg
http://screex.com/b_xtH1FUTjUGy.jpg
http://screex.com/b_xES9sE10aok.jpg
Order Light Fighter - Fletcher - 01-02-2010
I love light fighters, and always wondered why The Order never had any as light scouts or recon or 'ambassador'/agent ship that lets them slip in and out of places without drawing too much attention. (Sensor wise).
The Order must realize that their ships are not as fast as the Nomads, so they must have made some attempt of a nimbler ship at the expense of their usual firepower. Sure it shouldn't match or come close to the Voidrunner that is the bane of human ships. But The Order needs a little bit more of an edge against the Nomads agility wise.
Order Light Fighter - Thexare - 01-02-2010
' Wrote:maybe it wasn t clear enough...So this is your argument against The Order getting any LF at all?
the keepers voidrunner is a HIGHLY imbalanced and utterly overpowered ship. - the order will not get anything to counter it on equal terms.
the voidrunner is small, has a fitting hitbox ( meaning its as small as the model ), it has the powercore of the heaviest VHF in the entire game ( 15.500 - like the werewolf ) and the greatest agility of all ships by far. it has an unmatched response time and an unmatched strafe and has a torpedoslot, a mine and a CD. ( and can fire anything the best VHF can fire )
it is the best ship in the entire mod ( unless you don t like fast ships ) - and since we all know that agility and nimbleness > armour and firepower - the voidrunner is the best of the best of the best.
before the order gets something even remotely similar - chances are that the voidrunner gets "balanced" to what others use.
If so, that argument sucks. "Your enemy has an overpowered LF, so no LF at all for you!"
Order Light Fighter - Tenacity - 01-02-2010
Quote:the keepers voidrunner is a HIGHLY imbalanced and utterly overpowered ship. - the order will not get anything to counter it on equal terms.
And we never asked for anything to have the same stats.
The decurion, as the example I used (take even the scimitar, if you like) is a well balanced light fighter, and I've never heard any complaints about it being overpowered. Giving the order a light fighter with similar or identical stats would work just fine.
I think you're taking the request far out of context, jinx - we're not asking for an overpowered ship, we're asking for a shipclass which we lack and could make good use of.
Quote:I recall Angel of Mercy made an Order LF heres the thread:
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=36908
images:
http://screex.com/b_9xfTDa58b0O.jpg
http://screex.com/b_mIFzm5Pfwny.jpg
http://screex.com/b_xtH1FUTjUGy.jpg
http://screex.com/b_xES9sE10aok.jpg
Angel's light fighter in that thread has no order influence whatsoever, it was shot down because of that.
If we do get a light fighter, it needs to match the design of the nephthys/bastet.