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It's the pie-rats! - Warlord - 01-09-2010
Greetings community,
I'm sure 99% of all of you have no idea who I am. I usually keep a low profile on the forums, but this time I think my rant has to be heard.
Not entirely sure if this rant has found it's right place, my apologies if it was supposed to be elsewhere.
Now I shall give a small introduction. I'm J.Adams in-game and he's a Universal Vigilante.
I've just logged out in Coronado to start writing this out as I want you all to hear my opinion. I was flying around there towards the Freelancer base to reload on some ammo. But thats where I ran into two Freelancer IFF'd and Pirate ID'd players. You start to see those around a lot, I usually didn't mind to see one or two around but it starts to look like a Freelancer Pirate outbreak.
Now the ID and it's role play I find perfectly normal, I can understand some criminals not being part of a organization. Now I do find the numbers raising a little high now, and am friendly requesting those people to observe pirate factions and see if they perhaps like being in one of them.
But thats not the reason why I posted this, it's the role playing that bothers me, because there isn't any with most of them.
Now heres the chat log from the conversation I've had with two of the Pirate ID'd Freelancers. Their names are censored for their sake.
Quote:[09.01.2010 16:34:45] J.Adams: What your lookin' at?
[09.01.2010 16:35:00] [Censored One]: Scaning you vigilante.
[09.01.2010 16:35:09] J.Adams: For what?
[09.01.2010 16:35:21] [Censored Two]: Curiosity for one.
[09.01.2010 16:35:46] J.Adams: Your a Rheinlander [Pirate Two]?
[09.01.2010 16:36:23] J.Adams: A Outcast Rheinlander?
[09.01.2010 16:36:35] [Censored Two]: Mayhaps.
[09.01.2010 16:36:42] J.Adams: Interesting
[09.01.2010 16:36:42] [Censored One]: What?
[09.01.2010 16:36:54] J.Adams: I was wondering about [Censored Two]'s origin
[09.01.2010 16:36:54] [Censored One]: Why rheinlander?
[09.01.2010 16:36:59] [Censored Two]: You got a problem with me?
[09.01.2010 16:37:06] J.Adams: Because he stacks Rheinland and Outcast weaponry
[09.01.2010 16:37:29] J.Adams: Since when is curiosity a problem?
[09.01.2010 16:37:42] [Censored Two]: i didn't say that.
[09.01.2010 16:37:58] [Censored One]: so whats your business here Vigilante?
[09.01.2010 16:38:01] J.Adams: Oh and your from the Xenos I assume [Censored One]?
[09.01.2010 16:38:09] [Censored One]: I have friends.
[09.01.2010 16:38:14] J.Adams: My business is not yours
[09.01.2010 16:38:41] [Censored One]: Well it's gona be if you don't state your intentions here.
[09.01.2010 16:38:54] J.Adams: Give me one reason why I should tell you guys that
[09.01.2010 16:39:01] [Censored Two]: life
[09.01.2010 16:39:05] J.Adams: Life?
[09.01.2010 16:39:07] [Censored One]: Because whe are not too friendly
[09.01.2010 16:39:09] [Censored Two]: yes, life.
[09.01.2010 16:39:14] J.Adams: I figured that [Censored One]
[09.01.2010 16:39:34] J.Adams: And whats with, life?
[09.01.2010 16:39:42] [Censored Two]: life's fun.
[09.01.2010 16:39:47] J.Adams: Indeed it is
[09.01.2010 16:39:55] [Censored One]: And we don't enjoy vigilantes around here.
[09.01.2010 16:40:02] J.Adams: How'd you knew I am one?
[09.01.2010 16:40:06] J.Adams: Have we met?
[09.01.2010 16:40:22] J.Adams: Plus the people on the station here does enjoy my company
[09.01.2010 16:41:15] [Censored One]: I could not care less about that.
[09.01.2010 16:41:32] J.Adams: Enjoying my rear view?
[09.01.2010 16:41:45] [Censored Two]: Very bang-able.
[09.01.2010 16:42:10] [Censored One]: So vigilante, either be on your way, or we are gona have a fight.
[09.01.2010 16:42:31] J.Adams: *laughs* Seriously your not making many sence, first how'd you knew I am a Vigilante?
[09.01.2010 16:42:36] J.Adams: Second, whats the use of having a random fight?
[09.01.2010 16:42:47] [Censored Two]: life
[09.01.2010 16:42:49] [Censored Two]: is fun
[09.01.2010 16:42:58] J.Adams: You've mentioned that before
[09.01.2010 16:43:12] [Censored Two]: I can mention it as many times as i want, vigilantee.
[09.01.2010 16:43:23] J.Adams: I'm not saying you can't
[09.01.2010 16:43:32] J.Adams: Now you can just be honest here, you can say you are looking for trouble
[09.01.2010 16:43:50] J.Adams: And that you are just a empty headed bad tempered pilot that likes shooting
[09.01.2010 16:43:50] [Censored One]: No, we are just asking you to leave.
[09.01.2010 16:44:02] J.Adams: Yes, and I'm asking you for a reason why I should?
[09.01.2010 16:44:12] J.Adams: As said I am welcomed by the base owners
[09.01.2010 16:44:22] [Censored Two]: 'cause we're criminal -> enemies.
[09.01.2010 16:44:30] J.Adams: Your showing as Freelancers for me
[09.01.2010 16:44:37] J.Adams: What makes you two criminals?
[09.01.2010 16:45:16] [Censored One]: Tell me now.
[09.01.2010 16:45:22] J.Adams: Tell you what
[09.01.2010 16:45:30] [Censored One]: You are not a vigilante?
[09.01.2010 16:45:41] [Censored One]: As your on-board ID states?
[09.01.2010 16:45:46] J.Adams: What ID?
[09.01.2010 16:45:57] [Censored Two]: Identification Card.
[09.01.2010 16:46:05] J.Adams: Did I showed you my ID?
[09.01.2010 16:46:21] [Censored Two]: You don't have to show it, it's clearly visible on your ship.
[09.01.2010 16:46:28] J.Adams: It's in my wallet
[09.01.2010 16:46:41] J.Adams: Theres absolutely no way you could have known
[09.01.2010 16:46:42] [Censored Two]: Yea, then how do we know you are a vigilante ?
[09.01.2010 16:46:51] J.Adams: Thats what I've been asking you two all the time
[09.01.2010 16:46:57] J.Adams: How do you know?
[09.01.2010 16:47:17] [Censored Two]: On every ship, the pilots ID is shown.
[09.01.2010 16:47:22] [Censored One]: Yes, no way, except a simple cargo-scan
[09.01.2010 16:47:25] J.Adams: Not for me it does
[09.01.2010 16:47:38] [Censored Two]: As you can clearly see Dimon's ID is "freelancer"
[09.01.2010 16:47:45] [Censored Two]: And ours is "pirate"
[09.01.2010 16:47:59] J.Adams: Dimon's his transmitter is Freelancer yes
[09.01.2010 16:48:16] J.Adams: The two of you show as Freelancer
[09.01.2010 16:48:26] J.Adams: So once again, what makes you two criminals?
[09.01.2010 16:48:46] [Censored Two]: Enoguh of this non-sense.
[09.01.2010 16:48:50] {SOB}Darth.Sidious,: Them being crimminals?
[09.01.2010 16:48:55] J.Adams: They claim they are
[09.01.2010 16:49:07] {SOB}Darth.Sidious,: I see a couple of talons, one with xeno guns
[09.01.2010 16:49:21] {SOB}Darth.Sidious,: one with bundush
[09.01.2010 16:49:27] J.Adams: They also knew I am not under Universal command, and called me a Vigilante
[09.01.2010 16:49:27] {SOB}Darth.Sidious,: now why ?
[09.01.2010 16:49:36] J.Adams: Darth, I've been asking the same things
[09.01.2010 16:50:04] {SOB}Darth.Sidious,: well, lets put an end to this.... "pie rats" can leave and "pie rat" all they want
[09.01.2010 16:50:13] {SOB}Darth.Sidious,: Now if you wanna blow them up, be my guest
[09.01.2010 16:50:15] [Censored Two]: *laughs*
[09.01.2010 16:50:27] J.Adams: I don't have any ground to do so
[09.01.2010 16:50:27] [Censored Two]: Where are you going ?
[09.01.2010 16:50:31] {SOB}Darth.Sidious,: adios amigos, the fields of malta are calling
[09.01.2010 16:50:39] [Censored Two]: Yes, i see.
[09.01.2010 16:51:49] [Censored Two]: Your hull clearly STATES that you are a vigilante.
[09.01.2010 16:52:00] [Censored Two]: Cargo hold *
[09.01.2010 16:52:21] J.Adams: Then you might want to get your systems fixed
[09.01.2010 16:53:05] [Censored Two]: *heating up weapons*
[09.01.2010 16:53:31] J.Adams: *Lights a smoke*
[09.01.2010 16:53:59] J.Adams: I still need to hear a valid reason for me why I shouldn't be welcome
[09.01.2010 16:54:06] J.Adams: As well as why you two are against me
[09.01.2010 16:54:31] [Censored Two]: We don't like your ship, it looks better when being shot at. How's that sound ?
[09.01.2010 16:54:52] J.Adams: It sounds like it comes from somebody with a low IQ
[09.01.2010 16:55:18] [Censored Two]: Enough of this non-sense.
[09.01.2010 16:55:26] J.Adams: Thats twice you said that now
[09.01.2010 16:55:36] [Censored Two]: And the last time.
[09.01.2010 16:55:51] J.Adams: Thank god, it would have made you look like a fool if you did it for a third time
[09.01.2010 16:56:15] [Censored One]: Ok, enough chatter.
[09.01.2010 16:56:42] J.Adams: Fair enough, feel free to continue being a criminal
[09.01.2010 16:56:53] [Censored Two]: Indeed.
[09.01.2010 16:56:54] [Censored One]: Very well.
[09.01.2010 16:57:32] [Censored One]: Universal, i am requesting a tax
[09.01.2010 16:57:48] J.Adams: So I see
[09.01.2010 16:57:57] J.Adams: Well the thing is, I'm not under command of Universal
[09.01.2010 16:58:07] J.Adams: So your not taxing them in fact
[09.01.2010 16:58:13] [Censored Two]: We don't care.
[09.01.2010 16:58:26] [Censored One]: Really, we don't.
[09.01.2010 16:58:27] J.Adams: Well if you want to tax me, adress me the right way
[09.01.2010 16:58:28] [Censored Two]: We're taxing YOU, J.Adams.
[09.01.2010 16:58:35] J.Adams: Much better now [09.01.2010 16:34:45] J.Adams: What your lookin' at?
[09.01.2010 16:35:00] [Censored One]: Scaning you vigilante.
[09.01.2010 16:35:09] J.Adams: For what?
[09.01.2010 16:35:21] [Censored Two]: Curiosity for one.
[09.01.2010 16:35:46] J.Adams: Your a Rheinlander [Pirate Two]?
[09.01.2010 16:36:23] J.Adams: A Outcast Rheinlander?
[09.01.2010 16:36:35] [Censored Two]: Mayhaps.
[09.01.2010 16:36:42] J.Adams: Interesting
[09.01.2010 16:36:42] [Censored One]: What?
[09.01.2010 16:36:54] J.Adams: I was wondering about [Pirate Two]'s origin
[09.01.2010 16:36:54] [Censored One]: Why rheinlander?
[09.01.2010 16:36:59] [Censored Two]: You got a problem with me?
[09.01.2010 16:37:06] J.Adams: Because he stacks Rheinland and Outcast weaponry
[09.01.2010 16:37:29] J.Adams: Since when is curiosity a problem?
[09.01.2010 16:37:42] [Censored Two]: i didn't say that.
[09.01.2010 16:37:58] [Censored One]: so whats your business here Vigilante?
[09.01.2010 16:38:01] J.Adams: Oh and your from the Xenos I assume [Pirate One]?
[09.01.2010 16:38:09] [Censored One]: I have friends.
[09.01.2010 16:38:14] J.Adams: My business is not yours
[09.01.2010 16:38:41] [Censored One]: Well it's gona be if you don't state your intentions here.
[09.01.2010 16:38:54] J.Adams: Give me one reason why I should tell you guys that
[09.01.2010 16:39:01] [Censored Two]: life
[09.01.2010 16:39:05] J.Adams: Life?
[09.01.2010 16:39:07] [Censored One]: Because whe are not too friendly
[09.01.2010 16:39:09] [Censored Two]: yes, life.
[09.01.2010 16:39:14] J.Adams: I figured that [Pirate One]
[09.01.2010 16:39:34] J.Adams: And whats with, life?
[09.01.2010 16:39:42] [Censored Two]: life's fun.
[09.01.2010 16:39:47] J.Adams: Indeed it is
[09.01.2010 16:39:55] [Censored One]: And we don't enjoy vigilantes around here.
[09.01.2010 16:40:02] J.Adams: How'd you knew I am one?
[09.01.2010 16:40:06] J.Adams: Have we met?
[09.01.2010 16:40:22] J.Adams: Plus the people on the station here does enjoy my company
[09.01.2010 16:41:15] [Censored One]: I could not care less about that.
[09.01.2010 16:41:32] J.Adams: Enjoying my rear view?
[09.01.2010 16:41:45] [Censored Two]: Very bang-able.
[09.01.2010 16:42:10] [Censored One]: So vigilante, either be on your way, or we are gona have a fight.
[09.01.2010 16:42:31] J.Adams: *laughs* Seriously your not making many sence, first how'd you knew I am a Vigilante?
[09.01.2010 16:42:36] J.Adams: Second, whats the use of having a random fight?
[09.01.2010 16:42:47] [Censored Two]: life
[09.01.2010 16:42:49] [Censored Two]: is fun
[09.01.2010 16:42:58] J.Adams: You've mentioned that before
[09.01.2010 16:43:12] [Censored Two]: I can mention it as many times as i want, vigilantee.
[09.01.2010 16:43:23] J.Adams: I'm not saying you can't
[09.01.2010 16:43:32] J.Adams: Now you can just be honest here, you can say you are looking for trouble
[09.01.2010 16:43:50] J.Adams: And that you are just a empty headed bad tempered pilot that likes shooting
[09.01.2010 16:43:50] [Censored One]: No, we are just asking you to leave.
[09.01.2010 16:44:02] J.Adams: Yes, and I'm asking you for a reason why I should?
[09.01.2010 16:44:12] J.Adams: As said I am welcomed by the base owners
[09.01.2010 16:44:22] [Censored Two]: 'cause we're criminal -> enemies.
[09.01.2010 16:44:30] J.Adams: Your showing as Freelancers for me
[09.01.2010 16:44:37] J.Adams: What makes you two criminals?
[09.01.2010 16:45:16] [Censored One]: Tell me now.
[09.01.2010 16:45:22] J.Adams: Tell you what
[09.01.2010 16:45:30] [Censored One]: You are not a vigilante?
[09.01.2010 16:45:41] [Censored One]: As your on-board ID states?
[09.01.2010 16:45:46] J.Adams: What ID?
[09.01.2010 16:45:57] [Censored Two]: Identification Card.
[09.01.2010 16:46:05] J.Adams: Did I showed you my ID?
[09.01.2010 16:46:21] [Censored Two]: You don't have to show it, it's clearly visible on your ship.
[09.01.2010 16:46:28] J.Adams: It's in my wallet
[09.01.2010 16:46:41] J.Adams: Theres absolutely no way you could have known
[09.01.2010 16:46:42] [Censored Two]: Yea, then how do we know you are a vigilante ?
[09.01.2010 16:46:51] J.Adams: Thats what I've been asking you two all the time
[09.01.2010 16:46:57] J.Adams: How do you know?
[09.01.2010 16:47:17] [Censored Two]: On every ship, the pilots ID is shown.
[09.01.2010 16:47:22] [Censored One]: Yes, no way, except a simple cargo-scan
[09.01.2010 16:47:25] J.Adams: Not for me it does
[09.01.2010 16:47:38] [Censored Two]: As you can clearly see Dimon's ID is "freelancer"
[09.01.2010 16:47:45] [Censored Two]: And ours is "pirate"
[09.01.2010 16:47:59] J.Adams: Dimon's his transmitter is Freelancer yes
[09.01.2010 16:48:16] J.Adams: The two of you show as Freelancer
[09.01.2010 16:48:26] J.Adams: So once again, what makes you two criminals?
[09.01.2010 16:48:46] [Censored Two]: Enoguh of this non-sense.
[09.01.2010 16:48:50] {SOB}Darth.Sidious,: Them being crimminals?
[09.01.2010 16:48:55] J.Adams: They claim they are
[09.01.2010 16:49:07] {SOB}Darth.Sidious,: I see a couple of talons, one with xeno guns
[09.01.2010 16:49:21] {SOB}Darth.Sidious,: one with bundush
[09.01.2010 16:49:27] J.Adams: They also knew I am not under Universal command, and called me a Vigilante
[09.01.2010 16:49:27] {SOB}Darth.Sidious,: now why ?
[09.01.2010 16:49:36] J.Adams: Darth, I've been asking the same things
[09.01.2010 16:50:04] {SOB}Darth.Sidious,: well, lets put an end to this.... "pie rats" can leave and "pie rat" all they want
[09.01.2010 16:50:13] {SOB}Darth.Sidious,: Now if you wanna blow them up, be my guest
[09.01.2010 16:50:15] [Censored Two]: *laughs*
[09.01.2010 16:50:27] J.Adams: I don't have any ground to do so
[09.01.2010 16:50:27] [Censored Two]: Where are you going ?
[09.01.2010 16:50:31] {SOB}Darth.Sidious,: adios amigos, the fields of malta are calling
[09.01.2010 16:50:39] [Censored Two]: Yes, i see.
[09.01.2010 16:51:49] [Censored Two]: Your hull clearly STATES that you are a vigilante.
[09.01.2010 16:52:00] [Censored Two]: Cargo hold *
[09.01.2010 16:52:21] J.Adams: Then you might want to get your systems fixed
[09.01.2010 16:53:05] [Censored Two]: *heating up weapons*
[09.01.2010 16:53:31] J.Adams: *Lights a smoke*
[09.01.2010 16:53:59] J.Adams: I still need to hear a valid reason for me why I shouldn't be welcome
[09.01.2010 16:54:06] J.Adams: As well as why you two are against me
[09.01.2010 16:54:31] [Censored Two]: We don't like your ship, it looks better when being shot at. How's that sound ?
[09.01.2010 16:54:52] J.Adams: It sounds like it comes from somebody with a low IQ
[09.01.2010 16:55:18] [Censored Two]: Enough of this non-sense.
[09.01.2010 16:55:26] J.Adams: Thats twice you said that now
[09.01.2010 16:55:36] [Censored Two]: And the last time.
[09.01.2010 16:55:51] J.Adams: Thank god, it would have made you look like a fool if you did it for a third time
[09.01.2010 16:56:15] [Censored One]: Ok, enough chatter.
[09.01.2010 16:56:42] J.Adams: Fair enough, feel free to continue being a criminal
[09.01.2010 16:56:53] [Censored Two]: Indeed.
[09.01.2010 16:56:54] [Censored One]: Very well.
[09.01.2010 16:57:32] [Censored One]: Universal, i am requesting a tax
[09.01.2010 16:57:48] J.Adams: So I see
[09.01.2010 16:57:57] J.Adams: Well the thing is, I'm not under command of Universal
[09.01.2010 16:58:07] J.Adams: So your not taxing them in fact
[09.01.2010 16:58:13] [Censored Two]: We don't care.
[09.01.2010 16:58:26] [Censored One]: Really, we don't.
[09.01.2010 16:58:27] J.Adams: Well if you want to tax me, adress me the right way
[09.01.2010 16:58:28] [Censored Two]: We're taxing YOU, J.Adams.
[09.01.2010 16:58:35] J.Adams: Much better now [Pirate Two] good boy
[09.01.2010 16:58:48] [Censored One]: 2 milion.
[09.01.2010 16:58:56] J.Adams: Two?
[09.01.2010 16:58:57] [Censored One]: Are you willing to pay?
[09.01.2010 16:58:59] J.Adams: Million?
[09.01.2010 16:59:04] [Censored Two]: 2 for him and 2 for me.
[09.01.2010 16:59:08] J.Adams: You think I've won the lottery?
[09.01.2010 16:59:11] [Censored One]: *laughs*
[09.01.2010 16:59:31] [Censored One]: I am not asking one more time.
[09.01.2010 16:59:34] [Censored Two]: Pay up or blow up....
[09.01.2010 16:59:36] J.Adams: What makes you think I've got that much money?
[09.01.2010 16:59:38] [Censored One]: Are you going to pay?
[09.01.2010 17:00:27] [Censored Two]: You paying ?
[09.01.2010 17:00:34] J.Adams: I've asked you two a question
[09.01.2010 17:00:40] [Censored One]: Gone silent all of a sudden?
[09.01.2010 17:00:43] J.Adams: What makes you think I've got four million?
[09.01.2010 17:01:06] [Censored Two]: Last warning, pay !
[09.01.2010 17:01:27] J.Adams: *puts out smoke* You two are quite the picture
[09.01.2010 17:01:38] [Censored Two]: Engaging on hostiles !!
[09.01.2010 17:01:43] J.Adams: How about I just put you two out of your missery
[09.01.2010 17:01:48] [Censored One]: We'll take that as a no.
[09.01.2010 17:05:42] Death: [Censored Two] was put out of action by J.Adams (Gun).
[09.01.2010 17:10:41] J.Adams: Whats wrong?
[09.01.2010 17:11:00] J.Adams: Lost your tounge all of a sudden?
[09.01.2010 17:11:44] J.Adams: *lights a smoke*
[09.01.2010 17:11:44] [Censored Two]: We will meet again vigilante. good boy
Two Ravens Talon with Black Widows (Xenos) and Outcast weaponry (Kraken & Inferno) and one with Bundush weapons. Shouldn't there be a little more restrictions in choice of weapons, or at least have them backing it up in role play a little more? It didn't even bothered me they mentioned the whole ID and all, it was the weapons they were having that didn't pleased me.
Share me your thoughts.
**Rant terminated**
It's the pie-rats! - Exsiled_one - 01-09-2010
4 million for a vigilante from someone who mixes OC and RM weapons? I'ld spit in his face. IRL.
It's the pie-rats! - Omi - 01-09-2010
Just a small poking of my interest here, but in-RP, are IDs not considered to exist? I always considered that, in most cases, it was an "identification plate" attached to the outside of the ship.
It's the pie-rats! - Quorg - 01-09-2010
' Wrote:Just a small poking of my interest here, but in-RP, are IDs not considered to exist? I always considered that, in most cases, it was an "identification plate" attached to the outside of the ship.
This is up in the air and has not been conclusively resolved to my knowledge.
It really needs to be clarified.
It's the pie-rats! - Warlord - 01-09-2010
As far as I have been informed about the player ID is that you can not scan it as the two pirates did above. But a ID is the same as you have IRL, you have it in your pocket or in my case your wallet. For the Vigilante ID, I'm sure you need to check Universal employees logs to find out that I am as having a Vigilante ID in your wallet is kind of wierd. But all with all, Police ID's, Navy ect. is something like a badge.
What they did there is being considered meta gaming.
But correct me if my intel seems to be wrong.
It's the pie-rats! - Boss - 01-09-2010
Sounds like you met my two "friends".
Tend to travel in a pair griefing anyone they meet.
It's the pie-rats! - Guest - 01-09-2010
ID`s OORP, look at it this way, If you catch someone doing illegal act in Freelancer Tagged (pirate ID) ship you can kill/arrest him,or if he is known to be criminal, otherwise he is just another freelancer in space.
It's the pie-rats! - Zig - 01-09-2010
Why didn't you just kill the pair of 'em? Sounds like they're the classic type of player that can't find its arse with an atlas, pardon my French.
It's the pie-rats! - hribek - 01-09-2010
' Wrote:This is up in the air and has not been conclusively resolved to my knowledge.
It really needs to be clarified.
I don't think so. It's no fun when everything is too clear.
It's the pie-rats! - Warlord - 01-09-2010
' Wrote:Why didn't you just kill the pair of 'em? Sounds like they're the classic type of player that can't find its arse with an atlas, pardon my French.
After they made the insane demand of four million they finally had a reason to engage me. Reason why I did not engaged them was because they were just Freelancers to me until I had proof of them being criminals. I killed one of them, let the other one run.
So even with Bundush, Xeno and Outcast weapon they both managed to still loose from my Eagle.