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Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned - Agmen of Eladesor - 02-13-2010
Kruger and Dauman are allies. Why are you killing your allies?
Quote:6.10 Player reputation and conduct must match player actions. For instance a player may not dock on a base belonging to the persons whom they are attacking or being attacked by.Consequences: Guns and money stripped, sanction notice put in hold.
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Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned - Wolfspirit - 02-13-2010
' Wrote:Kruger and Dauman are allies. Why are you killing your allies?
The truth cant be further than this. Let me explain why I say this. Im sure I dont need to say Krueger dont really like Daumann and same on Daumann side. Both are mining corporation and both are competitor to each other. What is in Omegas now is a corporation war, They dont touch each other openly in the core systems - bad for image, but in Omegas where no police forces, the situation is different. They DO act against each other. Just let see the rumors (I dont searched all what say this just 3 example from Omega 7)
A rumor from Briesen:
![[Image: briesen1.jpg]](http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m37/bilgekagan/Freelancer/briesen1.jpg)
2 Rumor from Elbich
![[Image: elbich1.jpg]](http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m37/bilgekagan/Freelancer/elbich1.jpg)
![[Image: elbich2.jpg]](http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m37/bilgekagan/Freelancer/elbich2.jpg)
As I said this 3 not the full list what say Daumann and Krueger NOT ALLIES. This is NPC side. Lets see the player side. If we see both player faction description we see Krueger gave neutral status to Daumann and Daumann gave unfriendly-neutral to Krueger ( Krueger faction creation request; DHC feedback ). Seems like both side dont think they are allies!
Lets see what is happening in Omega 7. There are 3 mining zone, one to Krueger, one to IMG these are in the northen part and one to Daumann its on the southern part. If you wanna figure out where are you enough to check the Mining Ships (Satellites) what are there. We respect the Krueger's field, we dont go there for mining and this is what we waiting too. Same in Dresden, we dont go there mining diamonds, our place is in Omega 11, we know this and this is the RP too. We dont care if Krueger miners dont respect IMG's field, they are another competitor team, but we cant and wont let Krueger mining ships operating in the Daumann field. This is what happened too. Here is the discuss, I warned the Krueger how he is wrong place, I told him he need to go because that field is ours, he thought my speech is a Bull(****) so I gave him a warning shot (we usually do when we want listening, just ask those who we sent away) what he missunderstood and opened fire on me, so I finished him. We kill miners very rare, just then if they got warnings and ignore us. If they leave the area/system we let him go.
And a little critic in the end. I reed a lot of time a lot of place how a lot of player wanna see corporation or business war. This is what we try to make in the Omegas. At this moment mostly against non-rheinlander miners. How is it possible if we cant make away from this thinking: Im on Rheinland lawful side so if my opponent is there then we are allies. Worse in the unlawfull side, where all faction give everything to others and I dont see example LWBs without Arbeiter (Unioner ship) and Hessian guns or other mix. The picture is more colorful, the question is: are we enough high level achieve this or not. Or what is more important? Taking into consideration the rumors, the player factions will, or the clinging stereotypes without basic?
Yet I dont regret how the Kruger ship destroyed. Nothing personal, I dont know this guy. I think what I did is on the RP line (I dont wanted destroy I wanted to leave the area, he can thank himself the destruction), but Im open and please, Boss, or admins, convince me how I think wrong about Daumann and Krueger relations. I show upper part why I think what I think. Oh and if Im right, please the guns and money place back, thank you.
P S: Oh and please explain why come Krueger mining to the Daumann area? What is the RP reason?
Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned - Boss - 02-13-2010
I am KMV-Jagst, and I submitted this report.
The fact of the matter is that you do not shoot at Kruger ships period. IIRC, you can shoot BMM and IMG, just as I can.
If we go by your reasoning, nobody can run Silver Ore to Narita except the KSP. Nobody can run Cobalt Ore to Ingolstadt except Republican. Nobody can run Copper Ore to Houston except the LPI...
Do you see where I'm going with this? Kruger and DHC work together in Omega-7 and other areas.
Put it this way. I work in a library. If a day happened like yours did, this might happen:
I shelve the books and order the shelves. In your world, if I were to point someone in the direction of a given book, which is the job of the reference librarians, then Peg or Ruth would pull a Glock and peg me.
Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned - Wolfspirit - 02-13-2010
' Wrote:I am KMV-Jagst, and I submitted this report.The ID descript just a sceleton. It give a way but dont mean that is all. Sure the list is too long and cant contain all an ID descript, here come the role part. Lets leave Rheinland for a while. A good example Zoners can shoot other ships who break no firing zone rule (its start as an RP rule and wasnt in ID descript, dunno now it is or isnt on the Zoner ID descript, but was a time when wasnt - no cosequences, everyone accept, but different what ID suggest). So the ID descript give a good start but I think if you do something different and you can explain, have a good RP reason, you can do that. I think I have one. This not the 1st day when we defend Omega 7 from foreigner miners and not the 1st day when we defen Daumann field from anyone. It is readable on forum too, on more places, started with the contract with the BHG| a month ago.
The fact of the matter is that you do not shoot at Kruger ships period. IIRC, you can shoot BMM and IMG, just as I can.
If we go by your reasoning, nobody can run Silver Ore to Narita except the KSP. Nobody can run Cobalt Ore to Ingolstadt except Republican. Nobody can run Copper Ore to Houston except the LPI...
Do you see where I'm going with this? Kruger and DHC work together in Omega-7 and other areas.
Put it this way. I work in a library. If a day happened like yours did, this might happen:
I shelve the books and order the shelves. In your world, if I were to point someone in the direction of a given book, which is the job of the reference librarians, then Peg or Ruth would pull a Glock and peg me.
I repeat myself. I had RP based reason to shoot you, you dont have how you made mining operation in our area. Or better, you make unlawfull action against Daumann when you steal raw materials from Daumann area. I just defended the Daumann interest. That how not in ID descript how we can shoot you is low reason. I have low answer for it example there is no mercenaries so I cant do nothing when I see a merc IDed *mining* ship? I know it is low and dont want to be on this level. More simply if you say you dont realized how you are in Daumann field, you thought you can go everywhere just because you have base on that system and you dont thought about a colorful RP picture just a black and white, dont reed the future official Krueger description. Be sure you arent the only one.
Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned - Boss - 02-13-2010
I reported in haste, yes, but I still found it to be annoying. You'll find ten million on that character to re-buy guns.
Consider this an apology for being an apparent douchebag, if you would? I should have PM'd you to talk about it first, and I didn't. At that, I'm a hypocrite, since I keep saying people should.
Again, I'm sorry.
Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned - Wolfspirit - 02-13-2010
' Wrote:I reported in haste, yes, but I still find it in poor taste. You'll find ten million on that character to re-buy guns.Thank you boss you showed you are great man when you accept my reasons and told yourself inside "hmm that guy said something maybe he has right". Could be fine if more same player fly around. If you dont mind I will resend. We have enough money. Truely Im happy too for this because it helped me to say my reasons, where more people read (Feedback is good but just a few read over) What I really want an admin oppinion. Was my action good or bad? Beter if I ask was it acceptable, was RP reason, was RP background? I have plans with Dauman, more than a victim role what is usually the all house trader faction. But for it I need to use the colorfull picture, the RP what basic the rumors (just a note, I collected all Rheinland when I started the DHC-, its public, readable on our website) and the corporation picture from the real world.
Consider this an apology for being an apparent douchebag, if you would? I should have PM'd you to talk about it first, and I didn't. At that, I'm a hypocrite, since I keep saying people should.
Again, I'm sorry.
Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned - Boss - 02-13-2010
I'm not really saying I think it's okay, more that I should have spoken to you first.
I might mine Cobalt when there aren't any of my KMV/T pals handy to tote off Silver, but I'll be sure to ask first. That cool?
Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned - Wolfspirit - 02-13-2010
' Wrote:I'm not really saying I think it's okay, more that I should have spoken to you first.Im fear not. What I tried to explain I try to break stereotypes. That field is Daumann place so we cant let work there noone except Daumann miners. Krueger have own cobalt field in Omega 7, use that or join the Daumann and noone touch you there again (except hessians maybe:)). But wait the admins answer, if they say my thinking is wrong and my action need to follow sanction (now too, after I told my reasons), then you can go there freely, not need to ask permission or like, we let you work there. Hanging from the admins.
I might mine Cobalt when there aren't any of my KMV/T pals handy to tote off Silver, but I'll be sure to ask first. That cool?
Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned - Agmen of Eladesor - 02-13-2010
Regardless of any rumors, at this time those ID's do not allow for your two people to be hostile to each other. So while Boss has been nice, the sanction stands.
Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned - Wolfspirit - 02-13-2010
' Wrote:Regardless of any rumors, at this time those ID's do not allow for your two people to be hostile to each other. So while Boss has been nice, the sanction stands.I see and understood, Boss and othe Krueger vessel can freely mining on Daumann fields.
P.S.: I change politic and Krueger get allies status from now, as admin said. I ask the future Krueger official faction leader do the same too. Seems like doesnt matter how we think different about the relations between this 2 faction, we are allies.