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What about a new RH ship? - Croissant - 02-18-2010
Moin,
in the last time a thought a lot about the Rheinland capital ships.
Rheinland has the normal Cruiser and the nromal BS, the Cruiser is a very hard but little one, the battleship is a really hard and (i think) the biggest one too.
But if a Cruiser stands just next to a Rh Bs it doesnt look like... well... i doesnt look good, the bs is too large for the cruiser.
So i thought that maybe someone could make a Rheinland BC which works as a "crossing" (?word right?) from Cruiser to Battleship
/./ Sry for bad english, languages are not my art:)/./
What about a new RH ship? - Irra - 02-18-2010
I think i saw thread.. with new rheinladish crusier/BC.. but it could easily be for one of the pirate factions( Hessians)
What about a new RH ship? - sovereign - 02-19-2010
Problem. Rheinland is at war with Liberty. I did some thinking about how a Rheinland battlecruiser would match up against Liberty warships, and... I don't think it'll help, honestly. Well, okay, given that most Liberty capships are siege cruisers who charge up rather than snipe, -anything- might work decently, but against legitimate pilots I can't see it doing well.
Basically, Rheinland has no real counter to the siege cruiser. The battleship is un-missable, the cruiser is almost bulls-eye shaped on the sides, and a single gunboat isn't heavy enough to do the job.
I did some doodling and came up with a super-heavy gunboat of sorts, was thinking something like 2x GB forward guns and a sponson of 4 GB turrets on either side. Give it light cruiser hull, shield, and manuevering, and it should be able to get on the side of a Liberty Siege Cruiser and pound it to death while not doing well against cruisers that can point more guns at it than the 4 the LI CC does. Problem there is that this ship would be -very- specialized and likely to meet most matchups at one and a half ships rather than that magical two...
It's not a simple problem, since Liberty has a bazillion caps (and snubcraft, though their bomber is a giant paper fan). New Rheinland cap ideas are worth looking into, though.
What about a new RH ship? - Blodo - 02-19-2010
That sounds a lot like the Kusari dessie, Sov... size makes people whine about it *all* the time. I reckon Rheinland currently has Fafnirs and Bergelmirs, just invent some new tactics for them to keep them alive longer. Like either bringing own gunboats so that they are first targets for enemy fighters (as they always are) and they buy time for bombers to get rid of the cruisers, or bring own repair ship. It's fairly simple and doesn't need another balance nightmare put into the mod.
Remember: It's not that Rheinland doesn't have enough caps, it's that Liberty has too many..
What about a new RH ship? - sovereign - 02-25-2010
' Wrote:That sounds a lot like the Kusari dessie, Sov... size makes people whine about it *all* the time. I reckon Rheinland currently has Fafnirs and Bergelmirs, just invent some new tactics for them to keep them alive longer. Like either bringing own gunboats so that they are first targets for enemy fighters (as they always are) and they buy time for bombers to get rid of the cruisers, or bring own repair ship. It's fairly simple and doesn't need another balance nightmare put into the mod.
Remember: It's not that Rheinland doesn't have enough caps, it's that Liberty has too many..
Kusari DD has cruiser weapons and heavy GB size. Cruiser weapons have significantly longer range, which means that the KU DD can kite very effectively due to its size and comparative dodging at that range. GB weapons cap out at what, 1.5k? How hard is it to hit a light cruiser at 1.5k?
The idea was something powerful enough to get on the side of an LI CC (where it's weak) and overpower it, without being able to kite anything effectively. Basically, a counter to the LI CC and possibly the LI GB which would utterly die to anything that could bring more turrets to bear. Like a Vidar, or an LABC. On either side, it would only be able to aim 4 GB turrets the way I have it drawn, thus keeping it from being a fighter-raping machine (unless you were dumb enough to get directly in front of it and stay there, of course).
If it proves to be a balance nightmare, then it can be dropped with no hard feelings. But I think such a thing could fill a nice niche and provide Rheinland with a non-vanilla cap, something that a lot of people seem to want.
I'll try and turn my sketches into a model if I can get someone to teach me how to make basic polygons... the shape is quite simple to make (by comparison to anything else in the mod, anyway) but I'm an absolute noob with modelling programs.
What about a new RH ship? - karthi - 03-10-2010
well i nice idea but rehinland has the best battleship it has 18 guns none other battleships as far as i know doesnt have 18 guns except lostbattlestar 2
What about a new RH ship? - McNeo - 03-10-2010
' Wrote:well i nice idea but rehinland has the best battleship it has 18 guns none other battleships as far as i know doesnt have 18 guns except lostbattlestar 2
Yes, I can also hit it from the maximum range of the siege cruiser gun.
Try hitting a siege cruiser at that range, when he knows what he's doing.
Trust me when I say that it isn't even close to being the best battleship.
Bigger =/= better.
Otherwise the Liberty Carrier would be better than the Liberty Dreadnought, which it isn't.
I think the main reason people want to see a new Rheinland cap is because, lets face it, Rheinland caps look cool. And cool means folks want more of them.
I want to get my grubby hands on a Rheinland Cruiser, but I really don't think it'll happen unfortunately.
Quote:Kusari DD has cruiser weapons and heavy GB size. Cruiser weapons have significantly longer range, which means that the KU DD can kite very effectively due to its size and comparative dodging at that range.
Kusari Destroyer is bad at kiting for two reasons:
1. Three turrets out of nine face backwards, one of them having to turn all the way round if you change the position of the crosshair from left to right (in rear view mode).
2. Light Cruiser powerplant really isn't enough to spam a LM as you should be able to.
That said, where other heavier cruisers need to kite, the Kusari Destroyer doesn't really need to.
What about a new RH ship? - Sturmwind - 03-11-2010
I personally don't see why people keep insisting on upgrading Rheinland's capship fleet, it's supposed to be less vast and modern than that of Liberty. The RM has never been known for its frequent capship usage, not even the indies. I'd go with the current mere few classes we have now, although I admit pulling through the gunboat idea of Sov might be a good one, assuming it doesn't become an inbalanced pain in the rear for all the capship pilots out there. But anyway, the Military fighter line on the other hand, WOULD need some new developments, such as a heavy fighter and a specialised light fighter.
What about a new RH ship? - Blaze - 03-11-2010
Rhienland already has the most powerful ship line in the sirius.
And a Rhienland BS is a lot smaller in comparison to the Zoner Juggy
What about a new RH ship? - tansytansey - 03-14-2010
*sighs*
How many times do I have to say it? Rhienland does not need any more capital ships. It is against their RP. They got their asses handed to them in the 60 year war because they relied on Capital Ships, and they learned from that mistake. Rheinland's military strategy revolves around smaller craft, which is why the Fafnir was created.
Quote:13-ARKM-N37 "Fafnir" Bomber
The blow struck against Rheinland following the events of the war of 800 A.S. placed a heavy burden on Rheinland's already struggling economy and military might. With her dearly bought fleets reduced to the broken testament to a curious period in humanity's history it seemed as though little could be gained save a lesson.
One which Rheinland took to heart.
The Fafnir bomber, brought into the field on the immediate brink of a long forseen war is the result of nearly twenty years of studious labor on how to best break the back of a foe's capital fleet... and restore Rheinland's military glory on the field of battle.
Liberty's capital ship fleet is too vast, and Rhienland does not have the resources to build big, expensive ships to match them ship for ship, and so they use smaller, cheaper and more efficent bomber craft.