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One can not simply... - jxie93 - 06-13-2010
I've never had problems defining genres of bands and artists before, it's all straight forward for me. For example,
Muse - alternative rock
Tiesto - trance, electro
Eminem - rap, hip hop
etc.
But when I stumbled upon this band for my Digital Sound Engineering coursework I'm dumbfounded. The band in question is Pendulum. I'm now stuck on the second paragraph on "style, genre and instruments". It'd be appreciated if anyone, who has heard of them, can come up with a clear definition for their music.
Some genres I've identified so far, with examples -
Electro: Pendulum - The Island Pt 2,
Drum & Bass: Pendulum - Streamline, Pendulum - Plastic World
Synth Rock (?): Pendulum - Granite, Pendulum - Watercolour, Pendulum - Witchcraft
Dubstep: Pendulum - Set Me On Fire
Metal: Pendulum - Self Vs Self
:wacko:Bravo, Pendulum, bravo.
One can not simply... - bobby - 06-13-2010
EDIT: Oh. Thought this was Flood. Blanked.
One can not simply... - pieguy259 - 06-13-2010
Describe their sound as "a fusion of blah blah and such-and-such", perhaps? If you can't pin it down to one genre, compare it to multiple.
One can not simply... - Primitive - 06-13-2010
I don't know why is that so strange to you, they are bunch of artists out there that play various music that can not be defined in one genre.
Pendelum started as pretty damn good D'n'B ...later they started to grow up in other directions.
There is no rule that band/artist need to choose one type of music to play.
I'll give for example band that cranks me with variation of two styles.
Beastie boys....Rap and Punk..think about it, even they are usually connected with rap they have a bunch of punk songs.
Prodigy..how do you define them...I can't put them in one genre either.
In other words as you said. Bravo Pendelum:D..and all others you can't put in one box.
NOTE : Muse - alternative rock, .... alternative rock is not a genre..is a name for bunch of genres together
So you may call Pendulum .. alternative d'n'b, or alternative electro music
One can not simply... - Jihadjoe - 06-13-2010
Genre of music is something you can argue over endlessly, but actually you're not describing anything.
Two grunge songs for refference.
Pearl Jam - Garden
Soundgarden - Rusty Cage
Same genre? Yup... Same kind of feel, tone, style of playing? Certainly not.
I could go through and do the same with various genres. The problem is this. People create new music, which is built on the previous musical ideals and influenced heavily by what the artist has heard and liked, often combining them and melding them into something new. Pendulum are a case in point. This is just the process of being creative. Each time someone does that, it necessitates the creation of a new genre term.
Someone combines say... Middle eastern traditional music, daft punk style dance, drum 'n' bass, metal and western classical, and you have to then come up with a genre for it. Tough huh?
Each new band will create their own subdivision of a genre. Hell, each new song will. Eventually it becomes utterly pointless to attempt to say "I like listening to x-genre of music" as you're covering thousands of individual artists, albums, songs and styles within the statement. Makes it a bit sweeping.
You may as well say "Pendulum's genre is pendulum".
Much easier to just allow bands and songwriters and musicians to have their own genre. I take little notice of genre when I listen to music, as it's an attempt to place an artist in a box and define them, and I think that's a little unfair.
One can not simply... - Marburg - 06-13-2010
being the huge longtime music fan I am, I used to be preoccupied with labeling & categorizing & whatnot until I finally realized that all music on the planet fits into only 2 catagories.
Music you like, & music you don't
Most genres beyond the basics of rock, country, jazz & rap are just marketing tools used by the industry so that they can separate the money people give them into different piles.
For example: is Muse an alt rock band?
No, they're not...if they were, what would they be an alternative to? The mainstream?
They are the mainstream...hell, even my mother went to go see 'em live when they opened for U2 last year.
...Ultimately, my Point is: there really is no point to classifying most anything. just decide what you like & then like it for what it is & don't get distracted by silly labels.
There.
Glad I could help:cool:
::Edit- That was some eloquent waxing there Joe...you deserve a "well said kudos":)::
One can not simply... - Slartibartfast - 06-13-2010
Have to agree completely with Joe and 'Burgh. I gave up labeling groups and artists according to genre quite some time ago.
I mean, basically all (or most) genres were considered sub/transgenres before being accepted as individual genres.
So genres are too ridiculously artificial concepts for me to care about...
One can not simply... - Shush Muppet - 06-13-2010
What Pendulum is doing is starting with a Drum n' Bass core and flavoring each individual song with seasonings from other genres. Most of their songs contain very similar drum beats that use the same kit and have some form of underlying bass riff. That's why they still sound like Pendulum, no matter the song.
So at the core, Pendulum is a Drum n' Bass group. However, to keep things interesting, they give each song it's own personality by mixing in distinct characteristics from other genres.
It helps keep things from going stale.
I should know, being the amature electronic musician that I am.
One can not simply... - NOVA-5 - 06-13-2010
If its for your coursework you'll have to give it a genre then, i must admit it is a tough one though !
i had a listen to them, they all sound different, 3 out of 5 sounded rock, two definitely electronic, all had samples in them, all taste's are different but i'd say their genre is: Techno Rock.
One can not simply... - Not Espi - 06-13-2010
pendulum started out as an aussie rock band. that was before kaos recordings (with adam f and fresh) influenced them to a point they started producing drum and bass as a trio. they were making pure electronics for some time, and later started to go down the rock/metal road. back tot heir roots, one could say. that was in 2008 i think, after they released 'hold your color'. since then they fuse metal and drum and bass (mostly). simple.
ps: tbh i dont listen to their stuff sicne they started to do crapy squeaky synths (breakbeat kaos era of their career), and i have absolutely no idea what their current album (the one released on warner music) sounds like. to be perfectly honest, they made one (1!) good tune, and that would be still grey.
my 2 cents.