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Dublin Zones of Control/Sovereignity Discussion - Dieter Schprokets - 02-10-2011
Ok, um, I hate Dublin.
But BAF (and other Bret lawfuls) is expected to exercise sovereignity over it. I would like to limit that to a manageable chunk.
Also, I would like to make Mollys and BAF somewhat hostile again, but subject to some sane restrictions.
So regard the following, which, if it survives inspection by all concerned, will be proposed in RP and negotiated with Molly council:
Bascially, Dublin gets split into Molly turf, BAF turf, and a neutral/IMG patrolled zone in between. The boundaries are subject to discussion.
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The following summarizes the basic idea:
-Mollys don't enter Bret space. BAF and BPA don't enter Molly space. Anyone who enters the other side does so at their own risk. And no, I cannot guarantee that some HMS's will not go charging over to Arranmore. Basically a Bretonian ship that enters the Molly Zone is fair game to blow up. As is any Molly that wants to enter and/or tax in the BAF zone.
-BAF will protect all neutral or BMM miners in BAF space.
-Mollys can tax, and protect any miners which wish to try their luck on the Molly side. If BMM miners want to mine over there, and will pay the Mollys tax, so be it.
-BAF and Mollys may end up co-operating to defend miners in the neutral area. Or they may tussle over taxation rights there. Or who knows. BAF should, at the very least, defend BMM miners in the neutral zone.
-If common enemies enter Dublin, (like, I dunno, Corsair capswarms) the two can act in the common defense and enter each other's zones temporarily. Common enemies may include independant pirates, or Corsairs, or Kusari, or any other troublemakers deeemed by both sides to be needing killin.
-Again, common enemies may see BAF, IMG, and Mollys cooperate.
-The neutral zone is IMG-patrolled.
Anyway, brainstorm, comment away.
Dublin Zones of Control/Sovereignity Discussion - sadtranslation - 02-10-2011
As a common enemy here I'm somehow curious about the way it will really change the current 'armistice upside down' situation. While lack of the hostility between Mollys and BAF already tends to bring troubles to Dublin, you technically suggest giving Mollys some vague souvereignity in half a Dublin. Without really serious cons for Mollys applied in roleplay that is, eh, not good. (I'm sure this point will cause a certain misunderstanding, Dieter, I can elaborate it if you want.)
The problem is that we have completely the same thing now, and we all don't like it, but at least the fact, that it's not approved by anyone, gives a hope that it can change. You're killing our Obi Van, our last hope.
Uh, I also have some doubts about BMM working somewhere outside the proximity to Graves, Essex or BAF partols, since according to what a certain Devon Black from Arranmore said, Mollys are meant to hate BMM so much.
Alltogether, I think that it's in no way a solution to the problems in system. Uh, I mean, what the problems was this suggestion meant to solve?
Dublin Zones of Control/Sovereignity Discussion - droideka95 - 02-10-2011
As HMS-Broxtowe, HMS-Carmarthen, and BAF|Ens.Archer.Gaspar. I feel that this is a great idea. Could use some polishing, but the concept is great.
Dublin Zones of Control/Sovereignity Discussion - Hastings - 02-10-2011
I very much like this idea; not only does it make the system more manageable it also revitalizes Molly/Bretonian RP which has been murky of late and gives us more opportunities for inter-faction communication.
I do have a number of suggestions:
1) I agree in giving the IMG a ZoI in Dublin considering the presence of the Hood - I know that members of the official faction do not like conflicts occuring there and it would be a relief if we did not have to police that sector and if the IMG didn't have to put up with firefights next to the Hood.
2) The BAF| adopts a defensive attitude to any and all enemy presences in Dublin - our goal in that case should be to warn civilians of the danger. Other than that we remain at the Essex until either a) we acquire enough reeinforcements to engage or b) the offending parties leave as they were looking for a gank anyway. We do not assist indies that choose to engage on their own, etc. We also will not respond to civilian pleas for help if they choose to ignore our system chat warnings of a lolgank. Additionally, if it is a ganking force that does not pose a threat to civilians we just ignore them until one of the above conditions is satisfied.
3) We allow all involved factions to position capital ships in their ZoI: IMG can have a Solaris Zephyr, Mollies can have Scyllas out the :static:, and we can continue to conserve fuel:P
Dublin Zones of Control/Sovereignity Discussion - Loken - 02-10-2011
This is an excellent idea but the problem is trying to get people to follow it who don't agree/don't frequent the forum. I'd like to see how this plays out.
Dublin Zones of Control/Sovereignity Discussion - Hastings - 02-10-2011
' Wrote:This is an excellent idea but the problem is trying to get people to follow it who don't agree/don't frequent the forum. I'd like to see how this plays out.
If they don't, terminate them. The system is under martial law anyway.
Dublin Zones of Control/Sovereignity Discussion - Govedo13 - 02-10-2011
' Wrote:This is an excellent idea but the problem is trying to get people to follow it who don't agree/don't frequent the forum. I'd like to see how this plays out.
Quite easy actually, just nerf the bret gold fields and buff the molly ones. So all will follow and all will be happy.
Want security? You mine in the Bretonian zone but have low dropping rates.
Want Profit? Go to try your luck in Mollys land....
I hope it will reduce the dublin lolwut problem a bit. It also can help to organise the mollys in order to have one faction and one diplomacy.
IMG?
As far as I saw in game they cope good with Mollys and they have permission to mine in the Molly field.
Edit:
Comarde toll more please.
Terminate them how? Indie player can sanction the facion players if they open fire on him for not following any RP that is not canon. BAF cannot pirate and it makes no sense.It is not flood.
Dublin Zones of Control/Sovereignity Discussion - Hastings - 02-10-2011
' Wrote:Quite easy actually, just nerf the bret gold fields and buff the molly ones. So all wil follow and all will be happy.
Want security? You mine in the Bretonian zone but have low dropping rates.
Want Profit? Go to try your luck in Mollys land....
The BAF could also start taxing miners in our ZoI...:P
Dublin Zones of Control/Sovereignity Discussion - Dieter Schprokets - 02-10-2011
' Wrote:As a common enemy here I'm somehow curious about the way it will really change the current 'armistice upside down' situation. While lack of the hostility between Mollys and BAF already tends to bring troubles to Dublin, you technically suggest giving Mollys some vague souvereignity in half a Dublin. Without really serious cons for Mollys applied in roleplay that is, eh, not good. (I'm sure this point will cause a certain misunderstanding, Dieter, I can elaborate it if you want.)
The problem is that we have completely the same thing now, and we all don't like it, but at least the fact, that it's not approved by anyone, gives a hope that it can change. You're killing our Obi Van, our last hope.
Uh, I also have some doubts about BMM working somewhere outside the proximity to Graves, Essex or BAF partols, since according to what a certain Devon Black from Arranmore said, Mollys are meant to hate BMM so much.
Alltogether, I think that it's in no way a solution to the problems in system. Uh, I mean, what the problems was this suggestion meant to solve?
Please elaborate on the issue you offer to elaborate on.
One positive aspect of this is it allows for BAF and Mollys to redefine their relationship in a way that doesn't preclude violence, but doesn't necessitate it either. We can have turf skirmishes within reason, as we test the limits of the boundaries indicated.
Another positive aspect, for BAF at least, is that we can share the responsibility for Dublin with others. We keep getting slammed because the place is a madhouse. A little defined zone of influence for others might help spread that around a bit. I'm not sure, but I want to give it a try.
Dublin Zones of Control/Sovereignity Discussion - sadtranslation - 02-10-2011
' Wrote:Quite easy actually, just nerf the bret gold fields and buff the molly ones. So all wil follow and all will be happy.Had you got a better recipie to bury the BMM?
Want security? You mine in the Bretonian zone but have low dropping rates.
Want Profit? Go to try your luck in Mollys land....
Security? You have much better chance for successful assault on BMM miners, then on Molly mining operation, protected by Scyllas or Bargheirsts. And in result it will just localise the poorly roleplayed mining with 2-millions-per-miner tax, but not in the part of space under Bretonia's jurisdiction. Well done.