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Knock it off, Dumbliners - Panzer - 02-22-2011
[ A passage from a much lengthier discussion over skype, names filtered out]
So let's have a little bet, shall we?
This week we will have another BAF| guy coming to the Hood and doing anything hostile to the IMG or trying to declare them unlawful etc etc.
Who's going to bet against it?
Noone up for a little bet? =(
May I remind him, that we even attacked Hogosha openly around the Hood for allying with Corsairs?
I even shot one down! And almost killed another one!
Damn metagamers.
I wonder when the next "strange freelancer, mercenary, drone or vigilante" comes and causes problems to us to then run to the BAF/IAB/Bretonians and Q_Q around.
I mean, it's enough already.
There are new people doing that every day. Nothing consistent or something.
That's what bugs me.
Yeah, I like having some action around there. But enough is enough. Else we might just close down the Hood to all who don't belong to the Guild or aren't Bretonias or didn't buy a license or stuff like that.
I mean, come on? Having a small talk with someone you meet on a patrol who doesn't harm you now means you INVITED them over? Tzzz ridiculous.
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I'm hearing the likes of this for years now.
And yeah it's ridiculous. I'm sick and tired of bored people stirring things up just because they've got nothing new to explore in terms of mod features (While the next release is nowhere near the horizon as far as they can tell) . It's trolling, it's bad and an RP-dyed overcoat sown with a thread of indie impunity doesn't make it any more acceptable.
And seeing as there WAS a ruling about what RP is acceptable/canon and what isn't - I would like clarification please. It was alright for a group of IMG to turn militant in o7. Seen it, stomached it.
But is it now okay for once AGAIN there to be hostilities forced by people not even involved in normal diplomacy? And how the [censored] is it canon, that an armed forces pilot (I'm not debating about whether factioned or indie since they apparently count as equals here) all the sudden declares WAWRAWR! een ze naem of ze sQUEEEEn! upon the IMG?
Seriously, who wants this? IMG| doesn't. BAF| doesn't.
Yet somehow, strangers and random individuals have the power to pit the two against each-other with all the RP consequences. How is that okay and canon?
Pointless rant is pointless. I just had to vent it.
Knock it off, Dumbliners - CommanderYamakazi - 02-22-2011
Make a deal with Kempeitai.
Knock it off, Dumbliners - Tomtomrawr - 02-22-2011
This thread is the product of several actions taken by the IMG which Bretonia is not exactly fond of. Destroying the ore of BMM Basalts, inviting terrorists into Bretonian space, my vigilante character is thriving on this because you're actually doing it.
Don't want trouble? Then don't disrupt BMM operations or invite the Order into Dublin (you may or may not have done that; InRP the IMG are claiming they haven't, but my character is claiming they have) and you have nothing to fear. The innocent have nothing to fear.
My vigilante would just attack your ships whenever he saw them. He'd never be able to set into action any of the responses from the Bretonian government that have been seen if you didn't feed him with the conspiracy banquet.
The innocent have nothing to fear, as I said before. If you don't do anything that could result in that sort of incident, then you'll be fine. But you are, so if you get caught you have to accept the consequences.
I don't know anything about BAF pilots going about declaring war on you, but I know about the current situation. My character has been the **** stirrer for many of those confrontations. He's one man, he shouldn't be a problem for you. But your actions are making him a problem. You're feeding him power in his argument against you and it's having bad consequences for you. So deal with him, or stop doing things that could land you in trouble. That crap about people who aren't normally involved in the Dublin area coming in to set off a confrontation is as I said, crap, because do you want to know the only thing that's changed? You're getting caught and you're pissed off by that, so you made a Q_Q thread about it. It's perfectly acceptable role-play, everybody I've played with with that character so far has enjoyed the interaction.
Cry me a bloody river.
Knock it off, Dumbliners - Dab - 02-22-2011
' Wrote:Seriously, who wants this? IMG| doesn't. BAF| doesn't./signed from a BAF| player.
We have enough crap to deal with in Dublin already, please stop making it worse.
Knock it off, Dumbliners - AeternusDoleo - 02-22-2011
Meh. You got the IAB and Patterson stirring on one end, and a frustrated Henderson on the other. Add to the mix several randomized indies on both ends, and mix in a few quasilawfuls/unlawfuls docking on Hood (which, as stated in it's description, was declared a Freeport by the IMG members bringing it back into service) and you have a trainwreck waiting to happen.
The only solution I can see is for both IMG| and the Bret lawfuls to dismiss the incidents as incidents, and deal with people who want things to escalate into a fullblown conflict between IMG and the BAF, -harshly-. As in, launch a bloody carrier and dual razor the nutball into oblivion. The first part of this solution has been pretty much implemented. Part two... pending.
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Kempetei are not involved in the Dublin tussle. Kempetei should not get involved in the Dublin tussle. Kempetei trying to get involved in the Dublin tussle will likely not have too many friends there.
' Wrote:Seriously, who wants this? IMG| doesn't. BAF| doesn't.Signed. As well.
' Wrote:This thread is the product of several actions taken by the IMG which Bretonia is not exactly fond of. Destroying the ore of BMM Basalts, inviting terrorists into Bretonian space, my vigilante character is thriving on this because you're actually doing it.The only reason your one man manages to stir stuff is because several characters on the Armed Forces side (mainly a few indies, and to some extent, the IAB) blindly lap up anything that comes out of your mouth. Probably with an alterior motive: To have a reason to shoot IMG. Granted, blowing up that ore was idiotic and has resulted in sanctions (in our faction, not server) against the ones that did it. IMG should never attack BMM openly within Bretonia, and even Tauside we have a deal that allows for a degree of coexistance.
Don't want trouble? Then don't disrupt BMM operations or invite the Order into Dublin (you may or may not have done that; InRP the IMG are claiming they haven't, but my character is claiming they have) and you have nothing to fear. The innocent have nothing to fear. My vigilante would just attack your ships whenever he saw them. He'd never be able to set into action any of the responses from the Bretonian government that have been seen if you didn't feed him with the conspiracy banquet.
I don't know anything about BAF pilots going about declaring war on you, but I know about the current situation. My character has been the **** stirrer for many of those confrontations. He's one man, he shouldn't be a problem for you. But your actions are making him a problem. You're feeding him power in his argument against you and it's having bad consequences for you. So deal with him, or stop doing things that could land you in trouble. That crap about people who aren't normally involved in the Dublin area coming in to set off a confrontation is as I said, crap, because do you want to know the only thing that's changed? You're getting caught and you're pissed off by that, so you made a Q_Q thread about it. It's perfectly acceptable role-play, everybody I've played with with that character so far has enjoyed the interaction.
The Order snubs in Dublin wasn't arranged by IMG - it really was just a few of our fighters happening upon them as far as I'm aware. That an NLH also came there didn't help matters much though.
Knock it off, Dumbliners - Jihadjoe - 02-22-2011
Stop going to dublin. *shrugs*
It's full of stupid. Way more stupid than any6where else in sirius. So just forget it exists and go somewhere else. The first step to sorting it out there, is simply having less people in the system. Perhaps tell a load of the miners how to mine in the omegas.
Attempting to base any diplomatic relations on events which happen in an environment where every other word in system chat is a miner going "FU ****! Y U SHOOT ME ?" and the pirates replying in <insert language here>, hardly seems like a wise idea.
Knock it off, Dumbliners - Avalanche - 02-22-2011
Can we put a end to the Gold rush? Make the drop points low like we did with Pennsylvania and the hordes will move on. People are there for money, money for their battleships. Battleships that we all hate.
Knock it off, Dumbliners - Vladimir - 02-22-2011
Shame there are so few BMM-IMG conflicts. It'd be fun to have more. Without the direct hostilities, of course, as it's against the ID. Destroying the ore, inviting pirates and pointing them at BMM - that sounds nice.
Knock it off, Dumbliners - Tomtomrawr - 02-22-2011
' Wrote:The only solution I can see is for both IMG| and the Bret lawfuls to dismiss the incidents as incidents, and deal with people who want things to escalate into a fullblown conflict between IMG and the BAF, -harshly-. As in, launch a bloody carrier and dual razor the nutball into oblivion. The first part of this solution has been pretty much implemented. Part two... pending.I'm surprised that hasn't happened already. Patterson's trying to instigate a war between IMG and the Bretonians, and if the Bretonians don't want that war then they should try to silence Patterson. From what I've seen, I think it's because InRP some of the Bretonians are seeing Patterson's crusade as justified. Best example being the Director of IAB.
Patterson's just showing the Brets what the IMG are doing that is against the law. He isn't forcing the IMG to make these actions. So if the IMG don't want any confrontations, then they shouldn't do anything against the law.
' Wrote:Shame there are so few BMM-IMG conflicts. It'd be fun to have more. Without the direct hostilities, of course, as it's against the ID. Destroying the ore, inviting pirates and pointing them at BMM - that sounds nice.Exactly what Patterson's trying to do. He knows the Brets would win in a confrontation, so he wants to encourage the Brets to distrust the IMG to the point of war.
Knock it off, Dumbliners - Jihadjoe - 02-22-2011
' Wrote:Can we put a end to the Gold rush? Make the drop points low like we did with Pennsylvania and the hordes will move on. People are there for money, money for their battleships. Battleships that we all hate.
Oh yeh, because moving the problem out of pennsylvania worked so well.
There's better mining elsewhere, just everyone goes to Dublin because it's where everyone is. That's the only reason it's so popular.