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Was this right or wrong? - RodgerDodgy - 01-30-2008
Ok, here is the deal, I am IMG,I for Independent, that to me gives me the right to take down Bounty Hunters at my discretion, kill Red Hessians and Outcasts which I have done since my early days at Manhattan.
This has been bugging me for a while now so I need a littlle guidance as to what is acceptable, whilst I am an enemies with the Outcasts I will stay out of their system unless absolutely necessary thus also expecting to be taken down once within sight of the enemy, furthermore, whilst I am enemies with the Red Hessians, I have grown a strong alliance with the Corsairs.
This is where problems arise, I like the odd trip to Omicron Gamma, Tripoli Shipyard pays well for missions, too well for a fighter like me, the bar staff are always friendly, and they pull a perfect pint, the other day whilst I consider the Corsairs to be an alliance of mine I was forced out and TT_Miller repeated to shout in capitals I read my ID.
I know my ID, I have a right but not a necessity to kill Pirates, Pirates to my role are Red Hessians and Outcasts, not in this case Corsairs.
I left the system in the end, I am probably off the mark, I just have not read anywhere, how far or if at all any alliances with other factions mean anything or actually exist, at the end of the day this is called discovery, a bit hard when you are booted out by allies.
Your advice please.
Thanks
Was this right or wrong? - tfmachad - 01-30-2008
Alright, first things first...
You got the 'I' part correctly. It seems to me, though, that you forgot the other two letters. Now what were those? Right. M and G for Miners Guild, right? ... What the bleep are you shooting Bounty Hunters for?
Look, the only part of your personal diplomacy (reputation, as in the table you see when you press F8) that really matters in game is the one that's blinking green and yellow at the bottom of it. That's your tag. As for the rest of it, unfortunately everyone else is unaware of that. Also, your ID is what count the most, I can't tell what is it from your post, but if it's IMG, no, most Corsairs won't let you inside their home. Actually, they won't let most people get near Gamma for all I know. But then again, there are so many Corsairs on the server that some might actually let you in, but be aware, that twenty clicks away there may be another one that won't share the same impressions with the first.
Anyway, man. Sorry for being blunt, but I think you should make a little more research about your role. My suggestion is, go to a IMG base and read everything you can find there.
Was this right or wrong? - uspatriotsf - 01-30-2008
This is a common problem. You may feel that you have an alliance with the Corsairs, but IMG as a whole does not, therefore your personal alliance with them doesnt amount to a hill of beans to any PC Corsairs on this server.
RepEx and the Corsairs hate eachother. I, in my RepEx fighter, the other day encountered a Corsair and started challenging him over sys comms. He responded back, "Why would you attack me, I should be green to you, you are to me." People need to understand that, as Gronath stated already, the only pieces of your diplomacy that mean anything to anyone else is your flashing faction and your ID, the others are not even known to the rest of us.
Was this right or wrong? - Dab - 01-30-2008
Well as AC said, IMG are NOT allied to the Corsairs (BSG could use this small talk too..), they are neutral/friendly because of common enemies.
But also, the TT are just acting out of order. You can ask the TBH. TT has been cap whoring, attacking everyone, and even attacking people smuggling their artifacts for them.
But you are wrong on some things as well.. IMG are NOT hostile to the BHG. Your also wrong about Red Hessians. I'm starting to get sick of people who keep stacking up enemies when their own NPC faction says otherwise.
Quote:ALLIES:
ALG
ENEMIES:
Outcasts, BMM
Your allied to ALG, not Corsairs.
Also, your not enemies of Red Hessians, but I'm willing to give you this one, as they are criminals. However, it does NOT say you can shoot BHG. They are lawfuls.
And the brunt of this.. Your ID says you cannot participate in military operations.. So no attacking ANYONE, only self-defense for you bud.
Was this right or wrong? - Yngen - 01-30-2008
"IMG ID owner cannot participate in any unlawful actions or military operations."
I read this as: IMG owner cannot participate in any unlawful action or unlawful military operation. That means to say military operations are ok as long as they are lawful.
But, now that I look at it closer, it could be read either Dabs way or mine. Another imprecision that must be ironed out I guess.
Was this right or wrong? - Dab - 01-30-2008
' Wrote:"IMG ID owner cannot participate in any unlawful actions or military operations."Maybe we should PM Igiss for a final call on it? I'll try to get him on MSN tomorrow, you PM him.
I read this as: IMG owner cannot participate in any unlawful action or unlawful military operation. That means to say military operations are ok as long as they are lawful.
But, now that I look at it closer, it could be read either Dabs way or mine. Another imprecision that must be ironed out I guess.
Was this right or wrong? - chopper - 01-30-2008
You are wrong on some points Dabs.
One IMG member cannot possibly make a Military operation by himself.
And the thing that supports my point of view is that it says clearly that he is allowed to hunt pirates down.
So, hunt, not self-defense.
Ofc, about Bounty Hunters, you are perfectly right.
IMG would actually love a lot of Bounty Hunters around their bases, to keep their routes safe.
And as they are rich, they can even pay them for escorts/defense.
BSG are allied only with TBH (questionable, yes, it will maybe have to go to friendly as well), friendly with Benitez, and neutral to all other Corsairs.
Was this right or wrong? - Juan_Arquero - 01-30-2008
IMG should be neutral to both BHG and Red Hessians. If anybody doesn't believe me, go to IMG's Friestadt Base in Omega-7. Dock there. If you are neutral with the BHG (no more than one pink box), you should see missions available from the BHG in the bar. If you're hostile, you should still see some BHG representatives in the bar, but they won't want to talk to you. The fact that IMG bases offer missions on behalf of BHG and that BHG representatives can be found in IMG base bars proves that IMG is neutral to BHG. While you're on Friestadt Base, use F9 to read the base description that says Red Hessians sometimes dock there to sell ore. After you launch from Friestadt Base, stay nearby and you should see a single Red Hessian docking a few times per hour (I've seen this in vanilla, so it should be true in Discovery, too).
' Wrote:"IMG ID owner cannot participate in any unlawful actions or military operations."Yngen and Dab: The prohibition on unlawful actions would apply to all unlawful actions, including unlawful military operations. Since military operations are also specifically prohibited that means that both lawful and unlawful military operations are prohibited. The answer is clear to me.
I read this as: IMG owner cannot participate in any unlawful action or unlawful military operation. That means to say military operations are ok as long as they are lawful.
But, now that I look at it closer, it could be read either Dabs way or mine. Another imprecision that must be ironed out I guess.
Was this right or wrong? - chopper - 01-30-2008
Hessians have families on Freistadt.
Freistadt is unique in that matter.
I would say Hessians are unfriendly (and i think i'v seen it from the RHA representatives) to IMG, but that's it.
IMG has no reason to attack them unprovoked.
But RHA has set BSG to hostile i believe, maybe because of their ties to Outcasts.
Was this right or wrong? - Doom - 01-30-2008
IMG rep is very complicated. Hessians should be neutral but they usually fire at IMG players cause outcast kills get down hessian rep too. Mollys...news on Hood say they are almost allied with IMG and Hood even gives Molly bribe. But they are very red to IMG and they are friends with Outcasts. Strange.
BHG and IMG are completely neutral and IMG shouldn't fire on BHG.
Regarding ID..unlawful military action....if you attack outcasts there is nothing unlawful about that...