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Bretonia Parliament Writeup - Dab - 07-07-2011
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPUJO6Xef...g0&hl=en_US
So, as most of you know, there is a faction leader group for Bretonia that has thus far been making the governmental decisions. Starting about two weeks ago, we finally started working on the open-to-all Parliament idea that we had been wanting to make for so long.
When I say open-to-all, I do, of course, mean Bretonian players. Yes, this includes unlawful Bretonian players.
There are some requirements, as you'll read (or have read) in the document above. Those that fulfill those requirements would then speak to the Parliament Steward (currently me until we find someone suitable to take over the task of managing this) about being entered into Parliament as an MP.
The Steward isn't on the writeup yet, but for a brief explanation; The Steward handles the accepting or denying of new Parliament members, and manages the schedule for Parliament, such as deciding the amount of time for discussing and debating a bill, then the amount of time for people to put in their votes (which will be submitted anonymously), and managing the archive of successful and unsuccessful bills.
Constructive Feedback and suggestions are welcome.
The document will be updated periodically, I will post to let you know when I do that, and will edit this post to state the time of the last update.
Last Update; 6/7/11
Bretonia Parliament Writeup - Veygaar - 07-07-2011
Very detailed. And fairly balanced. It's going to take alot of people.
Can a player have multiple seats on his/her different chars? That's my only concern/question.
Bretonia Parliament Writeup - Dab - 07-07-2011
' Wrote:Very detailed. And fairly balanced. It's going to take alot of people.No. Forgot to add that into the document actually, it was discussed already.
Can a player have multiple seats on his/her different chars? That's my only concern/question.
Each player is restricted to a single seat.
This also applies to those in the House of Lords. Myself for example. As I have a character in the House of Lords, I may not have an MP in the House of Commons, as I already have a seat in Parliament, though in a different chamber of it.
Seat numbers are not finalized, and will likely be reduced before this is finished.
EDIT: And before anyone asks; Knights and Dames are not peers, and thus, not in the House of Lords. Knighthood is the social rank -below- peer status.
Bretonia Parliament Writeup - Hone - 07-07-2011
I read it, its certainly a nice step. But I have a few questions.
Why must all MPs be part of one of the 4 parties? Isnt one of the main things about British democracy that anyone can stand/form a party?
And are you proposing that people can have seats from a BMM station, but its not a BMM seat? Does that make sense? What if two people go for the same seat? How is it decided who gets it? Is it totally upto the steward?
Also I have been RPing my OSC char as a Lord, and I think several others RP nobility too. Are you going to say we cant now, and only peerages given by the bret gov players can be RPd?
Which seat would a Molly char stand for? Would we have a Molly as the MP for Graves?
I think I'm not quite clear on how the seats work, it seems to me that anyone can stand for a seat on any station, could you please explain more?
Bretonia Parliament Writeup - BaconSoda - 07-07-2011
Whatever happened to the Bretonia Parliament and according structures?
Bretonia Parliament Writeup - Dab - 07-07-2011
' Wrote:I read it, its certainly a nice step. But I have a few questions.Another thing I forgot to add.
Why must all MPs be part of one of the 4 parties? Isnt one of the main things about British democracy that anyone can stand/form a party?
People will be allowed to create new parties, though creating one will have a few requirements.
' Wrote:And are you proposing that people can have seats from a BMM station, but its not a BMM seat? Does that make sense? What if two people go for the same seat? How is it decided who gets it? Is it totally upto the steward?BMM Station seats are reserved for BMM characters. Same goes for all factions. Planets are open seats. Representative Seats are reserved for official faction representatives. Two people going for the same seat has not been addressed yet (thread living up to its purpose). I'll do some thinking on it. Most likely it'll either be up to the Steward, or a vote by Parliament, but the latter would be time consuming and take focus off of the bills that it should be working on. So most likely a Steward decision, based on the character's writeup and age. (Character age as in, how long it has existed, not its in-RP age.)
' Wrote:Also I have been RPing my OSC char as a Lord, and I think several others RP nobility too. Are you going to say we cant now, and only peerages given by the bret gov can be RPd?So far Lordship hasn't been managed by any group yet. This will change, yes. It will be regulated. However, people who are already roleplaying characters with peer status should talk to me. The War Cabinet (faction leader chat) will discuss each case individually. Those of you already roleplaying a peerage will likely be allowed to be in the House of Lords, but not everyone will. We won't ninja your peerage away, but those already RPing at peer status will have to be approved before being entered into the House of Lords. After this is established, peerage statuses will be regulated by the Monarch (who is controlled OOC by the War Cabinet), and those who want to gain a peerage status or create a character with one will need to talk to us first. That said, we won't be too strict on this unless we get flooded with requests of hundreds of peerage characters.
' Wrote:Which seat would a Molly char stand for? Would we have a Molly as the MP for Graves?Mollys have their own independent seats. These will be RP'd as a planetary district seat (I'll clarify that in the doc). Independents get 2 seats, faction has 2 seats
I think I'm not quite clear on how the seats work, it seems to me that anyone can stand for a seat on any station, could you please explain more?
While thinking on this, I've also realized that a system needs to be created for taking over a seat from someone else in a fair electoral method. Most likely it'd be an election among the Parliament MPs.
' Wrote:Whatever happened to the Bretonia Parliament and according structures?I plan to use that thread as the Parliament chamber, or maybe the House of Lords chamber. I couldn't find any structure on how it was set up or assembled, or determined who could participate and who could not, thus there was no structure for me to copy.
However, this will function in a similar manner. Through the forums and in-roleplay. There will never be a Parliament chat on Skype. Party chats however, I don't have a problem with.
If there are any links you could give me to the structure on the old setup, that'd help.
Bretonia Parliament Writeup - BaconSoda - 07-07-2011
You could talk to Jammi and Captain Morgan. I have no idea about how people were selected or whatnot.
Bretonia Parliament Writeup - Hone - 07-07-2011
OK thanks, seems like you still have quite a bit of work to do, I'll be watching this with interest. I'll help if you want.
And just to clarify, the BMM for example, have 4 representative seats, and 6 stations capable of fielding independent seats, for a total of 10 seats?
Whereas Gateway has 4 seats on kensington, and 3 representative seats, for a total of 7?
Also, seeing as the steward seems to be the ultimate power here, being the one to choose who can become an MP, perhaps make the Steward the Queen, or the Prime minister? If not, then what would these 2 people do, as I dont see them on the document, and no space-british parliament is complete without them IMO.
In the interest of balancing power, it might also be wise to; in the same way that one player cant hold more than one MP position, one player cant be the steward, and an MP. However, as there are only a limited amount of players who would be interested, I can see why perhaps no-one would want to be only a steward, again why I suggest the stewards job being done by whoever is RPing the Queen.
Finally, who makes up the War council? I dont think the doc mentions that. If it is the BAF, then perhaps they should not have seats in the regular parliament, as they already have their say from the war council. I mean, I dont think soldiers vote in parliament? Unless they are Lords? But I can see why if we DIDNT have the war council, having the BAF in regular parliament would be time saving, in allowing them to have their say.
Bretonia Parliament Writeup - sadtranslation - 07-07-2011
The whole idea of making a working Parliament for Bretonia was suggested several times already lately and it's good to see some progress; and while the procedural part requires some time to be looked through, there is a major flaw of this suggestion compared to Murphy's project made a couple of month ago.
Parties suggested in this write-up are merely boring. In opposition to parties suggested by players for Murphy's Parliament, the ones here are cardboard cutouts, tied to the support of Queen and the Army, support of business and control over the Monarchy, to ecology and Dublin separation - as Royalists, Federalists, Green and Independence parties accordingly.
While for the Royalists and Federalists, that are mentioned as the largest parties, it basically guarantees the struggle for power, the remaining two groups, basically, the representatives of unlawful Gaians and Mollys, are introduced to the sandbox operational manual and allowed to play with someone there. Not their low number of seats offered is the problem, but the simplified agenda that hardly fits any reasonable requirements.
While Murphy's Parliament had quite a number of factions, that was hardly a problem since with good player-made write-ups they represented all the factions in Bretonia, giving them a complex historical background and motivation, making them realistic political groups which are interesting to play; the groups with frontmen, ideas, standing suggestions and history.
Really, cardboard cutouts are hardly the best idea for keyboard pvp. Parties sumbitted by players are suddenly the best solution. Since it was mentioned above, I can only suggest the replacement of the current ones as well.
Bretonia Parliament Writeup - Juzt156 - 07-07-2011
Ok Just a few things. I really like the idea so far and I will certainly attempt to stand as an MP at some point.
I don't know if this is of any use to you. These are RL Parliament jobs
The Speaker of the House of Commons is in a Seat that every one agrees not to contest and he/she is in charge of directing debates and should be impartial and prevent arguments and such.
The Leader of the House of Commons (also one in the Lords). Is responsible for much of what the Steward is, accept disciplining MPs and such
The Serjeant-at-Arms, is genrally a retired Soldier or Police officer, in charge of Protection of MPs and escorting unruly MPs from the Chamber
Whips: Whips are officials of thier parties, although MPs it is thier job to control thier parties MPs. In particular debates that their party thinks is important, they can 'Whip' thier MPs, and attempt to get them to vote the way the Party tells them too. By offering Govt jobs or by threatning to cut funding to his election campaign or in extreme cases expultion from the party. There is a one-line whip, two-line whip, and three-line whip. One line is somthing the Govt would like you to support, but if you do not they are unlikely to punish you. Disobeying a two line whip is likly to get you in trouble and punished or incentivised in a small way. Disobeying a three line whip is serious and can lead to cuts in funding for elction capaigns or expultion. Whips are often close allies of the Party leader.
Oh yes and All MPs in RL are entitled to have a honrific before their name. All MPs are reffered to as Right Hounrable. E.g. the Rt Hon. James Hacker M.P.
I am suggesting that all these things can be used, and as you guys are the ones setting it up, it is up to you. These are mearly RL postions that exist in Parl and may improve RP. Whips I think will be useful especially. I know this kind of stuff (i am boring like that) I hope this has been of some use to you.