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System camping. - Dab - 02-07-2006
In Gamma today I took Igiss' advice and tried to fight Vladic (A.K.A. Damned) out of the system. after we both died (at that point the same amount) TG Marauder came and aided AW in attacking the Phantom. This is when the death count started to change. And no this isn't about me killing him more just read the whole thing. After about another 4-5 fights all of which me and Marauder won Crimson Vo joined in. another 2 fights they both lost. Me dieing in 2 of the last 6-7 fights. Then AW-J.Rolaf and TG Titus also came and we started talking while I asked the Phantoms to remove the characters they put in Gamma (then they havent used them when I am on so I can't fight them out of the system [this being what I call system camping]). Then Darkstar came and Crimson Vo declared it a fight between the factions of Crimson and AW. Though he claims it wasn't a declaration of war fight but them helping out the Phantoms. We had a battle there that Kane, Damned, and Vo lost. After that I asked them to leave again. Vo said that I had one this round and would go and decide with the rest of Crimson whether to declare war (though I think I'll beat them to it, it kinda pissed me off). But after the battle Damned just switched to his TDK char and has ignored me since not even responding.
So all I am saying is that the Phantoms shouldn't have the right to put there characters in AW territory then switch characters and refuse to go back while I am on because they don't want me to kill their chars and try to get them to leave. Do you think it would be fair if AW was at war with RM and we just docked everything in New Berlin and denied any requests to get them out. Plus we should be allowed to treat Phantom like other factions and be able to declare war, as they have over 6-8 members and do have a "temporary base of operations." Which is just another way of saying that that is their system. Currently I believe Virus, Kane, and Damned have ships in AW territory and will not leave even though we beat Damned about 9-11 times. This goes against everything from a RP point of view too. If you are killed your dead. If you are killed alot of times your really dead and shouldn't be in the system you just died in.
In my opinion Phantom is abusing their power to not be forced out of systems, and that it is an unfair rule to the other factions. This issue hasn't come up with the other factions yet because Phantom hasn't moved 8-10 characters into their systems and repeatedly ignored requests to leave, even when asked politely.
And again it wasn't my idea but Titus said to take it to the forums.
System camping. - marauder - 02-07-2006
Watch the language Dab. :angry:
Second your requests were pretty frequent and Thirdly you threatened to keep attacking those characters until they left, this is to me harrassment and you've been asked repeatedly to stop bringing this up and asking people to leave AW space.
You didn't mention that I got tired of your requests/orders (whatever you want to call them) to crimson and the phantoms to leave and blasted you myself :cool: . I then put my cruiser on tripoli and switched characters.
I only went to help dab because I though he was just doing his 'Hunt the Phantoms' RP thing. :$
Next time I'll leave any AW players getting attacked by Phantoms or pirates to deal with it themselves. :sleep:
I'm totally fed up with you Dab and your attempts to keep people 'outta your space' and I'm now seriously gonna consider looking thru Lancers Reactor to find another mod.
System camping. - Dab - 02-07-2006
marauder,Feb 6 2006, 07:20 PM Wrote:You didn't mention that I got tired of your requests/orders (whatever you want to call them) to crimson and the phantoms to leave and blasted you myself :cool: . I then put my cruiser on tripoli and switched characters.
I only went to help dab because I though he was just doing his 'Hunt the Phantoms' RP thing. :$
Next time I'll leave any AW players getting attacked by Phantoms or pirates to deal with it themselves. :sleep:
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First whether I was doing the hunt the Phantoms thing or trying to get them out I still would have kept attacking till they left. As it is called "hunt the Phantoms" I would hunt them till they weren't near me anymore...
Igiss,Feb 2 2006, 05:16 AM Wrote:3) This server allows free PvP. If Dab or any other player wishes to attack anyone else, they may do so, there are very few restrictions.
2Dab: if you want to keep someone out of AW systems, use your guns instead of chat. I hope that Phantoms can fight too. There's no law of yours that could prohibit them from entering Gamma or any other AW system, but there's no law that prohibits you from killing them. And them from killing you :)
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As you can see I have every right to attack them till they leave. In this case I had no other option so I did nothing wrong. Normally I am fine with Phantoms going in Gamma for needed weapons as long as I am not on as I will attack them as I am required to through my RP. But them moving almost all of there ships into Gamma is unacceptable. Thye can't just go in there and take over without a war for the system. Their "temporary base of operations" as they call it is the same as owning that system that the base is in. Take special notice of rule number 3) in the quote. It says that the server allows free PvP in exception to the NY rule. It says I am free to attack anyone I want. He also says to use guns instead of chat. Well I tried that but after dieing repeatedly none of the Phantoms removed a single character from any of AW systems. We should be allowed to treat Phantom as any other faction. Why do they get special treatment just because they have no systems. Do any of you really think you would allow AW to do that to you if we had no systems and were pretty much in a war. No you guys would fight us until we were out of your systems just like I am doing with the Phantoms. In this case it is my only option as none of you will leave any of the Omicrons peacefully. I think we do need to make that rule of dieing 3 times and you are out of the system for 24 hours official as there is no other way to remove the Phantoms, because they feel they have the right to be anywhere and not be attacked. Guys you cannot expect to enter Gamma everyday and not be attacked repeatedly! Stop calling this harrasment. I could call the thing you guys are doing harrassment and be just as right as you. We need a little more elaborate set of rules for this kind of stuff, and removing everybody's systems isn't a solution. What system do you think I would take if I had only one system allowed anyway? The most important one with weapons, Gamma.
System camping. - marauder - 02-07-2006
Dab,Feb 7 2006, 12:38 AM Wrote:First whether I was doing the hunt the Phantoms thing or trying to get them out I still would have kept attacking till they left. As it is called "hunt the Phantoms" I would hunt them till they weren't near me anymore...
We need a little more elaborate set of rules for this kind of stuff, and removing everybody's systems isn't a solution. What system do you think I would take if I had only one system allowed anyway? The most important one with weapons, Gamma.
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The top part is utter rubbish, I've seen you chase Phantoms across the server.
Your rep is Zoner so you'd be in theta.
I still don't see why you should stop players doing missions in gamma just because your on the server and don't like it.
I ENJOY doing the missions in Gamma, so what if the corsairs pay just as much to do missions in Delta? I take the BH's pilots to Arranemore once my hold is full so i'll continue to do the missions in Gamma as it's easier to get to Dublin from there.
That is all assuming your attitude doesn't annoy me enough to leave the server.
System camping. - Dab - 02-07-2006
marauder,Feb 6 2006, 08:58 PM Wrote:The top part is utter rubbish, I've seen you chase Phantoms across the server.
Your rep is Zoner so you'd be in theta.
I still don't see why you should stop players doing missions in gamma just because your on the server and don't like it.
I ENJOY doing the missions in Gamma, so what if the corsairs pay just as much to do missions in Delta? I take the BH's pilots to Arranemore once my hold is full so i'll continue to do the missions in Gamma as it's easier to get to Dublin from there.
That is all assuming your attitude doesn't annoy me enough to leave the server.
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Yes but after asking people to leave the system I never chase them. Now If they are whithin a few systems and I have nothing else to do I chase Phantoms. Since we are hostile that is MY right.
And I only do this to Phantoms. And okay you enjoy it, but get used to being attacked if I am on. Now if I am not on its okay if you take a Phantom or two in there to do missions but not take all of your characters into it. Now if you see me get on but don't want to fight me leave Gamma and I won't go after you.
System camping. - Kane - 02-07-2006
I said it once, i'll say it again.
NOBODY, NOT EVEN THE RM OR THE SF, OWN ANY SYSTEMS. They work WITH the people who actually do. Gamma is a CORSAIR system, first and fore-most. The fact that you AW have decided to "claim" it is just a little side detail the Corsairs probobly never even thought of or much about.
The point of all this is that you should not be takeing charge of other systems. If the Corsairs decided they hated you, you and all your little AW friends would be shot to peices, no matter how good you are. They span the entire sector, and are feared through it. You AW haven't done much untill YOU decided that it would be fun to hunt Phantoms. Now it's turning into something like a Jihad (holy war), or just a personal vendetta. I can understand why the SF, and possibly the RM hate us, but you? You made up the reason, of your own free will no less. You wanted to hate the Phantoms, so now deal with the consequences.
Again, in case you missed my point; GAMMA BELONGS TO THE CORSAIRS FIRST, NOT THE AW.
System camping. - Dab - 02-07-2006
Kane,Feb 6 2006, 09:31 PM Wrote:I said it once, i'll say it again.
NOBODY, NOT EVEN THE RM OR THE SF, OWN ANY SYSTEMS. They work WITH the people who actually do. Gamma is a CORSAIR system, first and fore-most. The fact that you AW have decided to "claim" it is just a little side detail the Corsairs probobly never even thought of or much about.
The point of all this is that you should not be takeing charge of other systems. If the Corsairs decided they hated you, you and all your little AW friends would be shot to peices, no matter how good you are. They span the entire sector, and are feared through it. You AW haven't done much untill YOU decided that it would be fun to hunt Phantoms. Now it's turning into something like a Jihad (holy war), or just a personal vendetta. I can understand why the SF, and possibly the RM hate us, but you? You made up the reason, of your own free will no less. You wanted to hate the Phantoms, so now deal with the consequences.
Again, in case you missed my point; GAMMA BELONGS TO THE CORSAIRS FIRST, NOT THE AW.
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Well if Corsairs decided to attack us we could always get the Outcasts with us... Then WE would win...
Okay and the "Phantom Hunt" as you have come to call it is supposed to be like a Jihad and personal vedetta... READ THE MIRALUKA THREAD!!! In my RP I should be hunting you into extinction, but since that is just RP I don't do that completely. Yes I attack you ALOT, but that is just from an RP point of view. I have nothing against any of the Phantoms. And I have been starting up RP things that will further that RP and you will notice what if you read some of Firebird's and some of my posts closely... Big hint; Vanished thread... But my RP dictates that I attack you when I see you. But I have a solution, but you guys will actually have to work with me on this one. If you are in Gamma tell me if it is just for the missions or for other things. If you are there just for missions and equipment then I guess I could let you in there. But if it is for none of those reasons I will attack you. But I will make sure you are doing missions I will not allow you all to move everyone of your characters in there. Also you never mention attacks by AW in any of your RP threads though you should as we would be your primary enemy (and we have a "person" in your organization that would allow us to find you. All I am asking for is just lower the amount of Phantoms that go in there and do not put all your characters in Gamma. You guys probably don't do that in other faction's system because you have respect for them. Well show me and my faction some respect to. And you say I make my hunts for Phantoms personal but I am never rude to people I hunt. If I say anything rude to them its usually RP rudeness (if that even makes sence). And I make it pretty obvious when it is RP rudeness.
System camping. - Virus - 02-07-2006
Dab.... All my characters are based mainly in New York or New Berlin.... I don't see Sam chasing all over the server because I LIKE TO BE IN THE SYSTEM.
Omicron Gamma always has and always will, in my mind anyway, the most popular system from the FL universe. The Corsair HOME BASE, etc. That's what makes it so likeable.
System camping. - Dab - 02-07-2006
Well after my systems get finished I havent been able to tell whether they will like mine more than Gamma. I am not saying I'm better than the company at making the systems but the things in the system make it much more exotic (for lack of a better word).
And I already said that I will allow you in there as long as you aren't atm RP-wise a Phantom. Like doing NPC missions and stuff. Now if you are there preparing a RP event or an attack, yeah Im gonna attack you. I just don't want 9 or 10 Phantom characters docked at the bases in the system as RP-wise that doesn't exactly fit. In RP AW would not stop attacking until you were out of there completely as their leader is supposed to REALLY hate yours...
System camping. - Telthose - 02-07-2006
hmm am I seeing an upcoming rp event "battle for gamma" AW vs Phantoms in a brutal death match over the rights to be in that system?