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"Dragoon", Paladin replacement - FallenKnight - 07-29-2011
Dragoon (Paladin) Heavy Fighter
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I == Background ==
Paladin Info Card: Surprisingly, this was an old fighter design in the service of the Bretonian Armed Forces. The Paladin is a very versatile and maneuverable craft traditionally piloted only by highly decorated officers and nobles in military service, originally using expensive components and high quality but time consuming, assembly methods. With the continuation of the war with Kusari, whose Naval Forces rely on nimble snubfighters, the Bretonians made the decision to simplify the design and produce the Paladin en-masse to counter their foes' vessels, to provide a lighter alternative to the reliable but bulky Templars . The Paladin has bred a new type of pilot who ridicules the Templar and its loyalists.
Quote:This was an old fighter design
The original Paladin was an old and not used design. The Bretonia Royal Navy builds the Templars after the excellent results from the already powerful Crusader. Our Paladin design is combination of the already proved to be 'blue asset' ' Hussar Light Fighter and the newest ship to the armed forces the Templars.
Quote:The Paladin is a very versatile and maneuverable
With the combination of the Bretonia two most modern fighters, the Templar and the Hussar, the Paladin become the right weapon to counter the kusari naval forces nimble star fighters by providing versatile and maneuverability without sacrificing significant armor.
Quote:Using expensive components and high quality
The old design of the Paladin doesn't mean it's an old ship. Taking the best from the already build star fighters, leads to more expensive methods by using high quality components.
Quote:The Bretonians made the decision to counter their foes' vessels, to provide a lighter alternative to the reliable but bulky Templars
The Templar proved to be an excellent ship to counter Corsair and Molly threat's but it was too heavy to counter kusari naval forces ships with ease. Our ship is designed with the modern maneuverable systems of the Hussars and parts of the Templar's expensive armor.
II == Dragoon/Paladin Stat Card ==
Stats
![[Image: 33f52yq.jpg]](http://i51.tinypic.com/33f52yq.jpg)
III == Dragoon/Paladin Image ==
![[Image: 5d9tza.png]](http://i52.tinypic.com/5d9tza.png)
IV == Dragoon/Paladin: Comparison ==
V == Dragoon Prototype: Testing ==
We made the Dragoon ship imported in to Freelancer. You can check the ships movements and actions from Here
VI == Suggestions ==
1. We have left the Paladin's original stats so the ship is only replacement of the old model.
2. A new information card will be done soon.
<div align="right] VII == Team ==
Azral Domonov
Jam
Fallen Knight
Special thanks to Jam for creating the model exactly as we tree planned it. Special thanks to him for creating the final image too.
Thank you Jam!
Thank you Jam!
"Dragoon", Paladin replacement - Elven - 07-29-2011
Model is good, suggested stats aren't. Thnx. At least make ship class - heavy fighter, and make all guns but one class 9.
"Dragoon", Paladin replacement - Backo - 07-29-2011
Wraith. It's what I see when I look at the stats.
"Dragoon", Paladin replacement - FallenKnight - 07-29-2011
' Wrote:Wraith. It's what I see when I look at the stats.It could be considered as similar but not exactly same. All guns of it are level 10 instead of 4x10 and 1 x 9 but the maneverability and handling of Dragoon wont be as good as official VHF's as Chimaera/Wraith/Guardian.
As second ship next to the templar, following its original Info card, that is what it should look like for us. It was not met to overpower chimaeras as the info card sais, but it was created to counter them if possible.
Quote:Model is good, suggested stats aren't. Thnx. At least make ship class - heavy fighter, and make all guns but one class 9.Thank you for agree the model is good. As for the class it is met to be VHF not HF. We dont need another ship to keep the dust on its hull because is underpowerd.
About the stats, they may be fixed in time, but for now we would like to hear different oppinions.
"Dragoon", Paladin replacement - sadtranslation - 07-29-2011
It's a Wraith indeed and it will make a great difference and bring new combat tactics. Which is good for Bretonia that is traditionally suffering from their clumsy ships. Though, I'll reduce the energy core to make the ship balanced towards the Templar.
"Dragoon", Paladin replacement - FallenKnight - 07-29-2011
' Wrote:Though, I'll reduce the energy core to make the ship balanced towards thefrom their clumsy ships. [i]Templar
The Templar's Original power core is 15 0000 not 12 400 as wiki sais. 11,000 for the paladin is probably going to be changed to 10,500 or something.
As for the stats, please dont take them from theory point of view. They may seem similar but the ship model is bigger than wraith and the stats wont work better for him than they work inside the wraith.
Thank you
"Dragoon", Paladin replacement - Elven - 07-29-2011
Actually I see this as replacement to Paladin, or Bretonia gets too many fighters and everyone starts for another one.
"Dragoon", Paladin replacement - FallenKnight - 07-29-2011
' Wrote:Actually I see this as replacement to Paladin, or Bretonia gets too many fighters and everyone starts for another one.It is a replacement for the Paladin, the Dragoon name is just suggestion to be changed. Since nobody found it usefull as HF, it had to be moved to VHF class but to keep the original infocard points. The quoted things are slowly leading to the final result.
I see a lot people said its similarto Wraith so I will post comparison image between them two:
Wraith:
![[Image: 25hzh9g.jpg]](http://i54.tinypic.com/25hzh9g.jpg)
Dragoon:
![[Image: 2ykf8ns.jpg]](http://i56.tinypic.com/2ykf8ns.jpg)
"Dragoon", Paladin replacement - sadtranslation - 07-29-2011
' Wrote:The Templar's Original power core is 15 0000 not 12 400 as wiki sais. 11,000 for the paladin is probably going to be changed to 10,500 or something.Well, I'm basing from my recent experience which is all 'bout fighting Wraiths and fighting Templars. Templar is large and clumsy and putting a Mini Razor on it is necessary since his heavy core can't be dryed by some six guns in a considerable period of time. It's the Very Very Heavy Fighter. Wraith in opposition to it is a maneuverable ship with a reduced number of guns that compensates its exceptional qualities in a combat.
As for the stats, please dont take them from theory point of view. They may seem similar but the ship model is bigger than wraith and the stats wont work better for him than they work inside the wraith.
Thank you
What is needed is to give Dragoon its major flaws that would prevent it from becoming the only fighter used by Armed Forces. Well, can you basically compare its supposed maneuverability to some other ships, for example? What would it be? A Guardian? An Odin?
"Dragoon", Paladin replacement - Valinor - 07-29-2011
I miss the point in which you changed the Paladin from HF to VHF. Other than you wanted another VHF. Did you try to talk with Mjolnir about the HF Paladin first, and to buff it instead of changing it to a VHF?