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On Corsairs, Junkers, Pirating, and Smuggling - LancerZero - 02-21-2008
There seems to be a bit of confusion regarding what's to be done when a Corsair sees someone smuggling Artifacts. Well, two matters of confusion.
I was in Omega-41, headed to Leon Base to pick up some artifacts to compliment the military vehicles and beryllium I'd salvaged off some wrecks in Omega-15. A Corsair bomber called Evil_Execution demanded I halt for a cargo scan. I thought, "Okay, he wants to make sure I don't have any Corsair pilots or Cardi in my hold. Fair enough." So I stopped.
Then he said "Drop cargo or pay tax." I got him off my back by reminding him that I smuggle artifacts for Corsairs, and that I was 1k from Leon where I was headed to pick some up. So, he let me go, I bought 250 units of alien trinkets and shinies, then headed into Omega-5 to see if there were any fresh Corsair or Hessian wrecks to loot. While I was doing this, Evil entered the system, chasing after a Junker in a Pirate Transport. Didn't get close enough to scan his cargo.
Wrecks came up empty this time, so I headed towards Cadiz...500 meters away, when I was already engaged in the docking sequence, Evil approached me and demanded that I halt. Now, I was starting to think this fellow was just bloodthirsty, an estimation that my somewhat violently inclined copilot agreed with. So we docked anyway, much to his protests.
He asked me, "Why won't you Junkers ever halt?" I replied that it seemed a bit odd that he'd insist I halt, when I was hauling artifacts for the Corsairs. He responded that he had the right to destroy anyone who didn't halt...I acknowledged that, but reminded him again that it didn't make any sense to me for him to do so. Just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD.
Then he said he was taxing Junkers because we use Corsair bases to buy and sell loot. I responded by reminding him that Junker bases are open to all for use as resupply stations, and Corsairs use them quite often...especially the one in Sigma-13. He told me that no Corsair gets the money I spend on buying artifacts. I asked him who did, then, because the artifact dealer on Crete always told me it was for the starving Corsair children.
So, I'm confused. I figured that, as a Junker, I didn't really have to worry much about other pirates. Just bounty hunters, mercs, and the assorted lawfuls that make my business their own. But this guy had other ideas...who's in the right? I mean, sure, technically he can do what he wants, and destroy me if he can. But why? I just don't see the reason behind it.
On Corsairs, Junkers, Pirating, and Smuggling - Etaphreven - 02-21-2008
The Junkers' inforcard clearly states that they're the only unlawful faction that maintain neutrality in the war between Outcasts and Corsairs. Wth is his problem with Junkers? He just doesn't get the RP idea that you are actually hauling the stuff for the Corsairs... yea, sure, no Corsair player gets the money... that's why he probably doesn't like you. Which is dumb. It's like me trying to haul Boron to LD-14, and get halted by the BAF and told to drop the cargo because nobody is getting the Boron! *slams forehead*
On Corsairs, Junkers, Pirating, and Smuggling - McNeo - 02-21-2008
If you were hauling artifacts, he should treat you as a friend. Every trader or smuggler I see hauling artifacts is a friend, even if he has a questionable tag. Obviously, some tags are out of the question, but I see mostly police tags, which I am inclined to ignore on a trade ship.
Even food, light arms, gold, anything that sells well or that the Corsairs need; I treat the hauliers of those goods as my friends. Not that I trust the pilots, but that they are probably on our side.
On Corsairs, Junkers, Pirating, and Smuggling - cmfalconer - 02-21-2008
This guy's kinda new, and doesn't get the full RP aspect yet see here or here
But from what I've always seen, and played, the Junkers have a good relationship with the corsairs, as the Junkers are the ones selling their Buying their artifacts in Liberty especially and selling them to Manhattenites.
This to me spells a good relationship. Did he not remember you from 10m earlier? or whatever the timeframe was?
On Corsairs, Junkers, Pirating, and Smuggling - Vince - 02-21-2008
"Sigh"
Another Independant Corsair..dragging our name.
On Behalf of TBH and all Corsairs I apologise Junker. If only you encountered a TBH Corsair you would have been treated differently.
Rest assured that you are welcome in our System, and will be protected in our systems...As long as you carry items my People need.
On Corsairs, Junkers, Pirating, and Smuggling - cabinn - 02-21-2008
This is definitely a case of a player not understanding the difference between what is literally happening (the Junker profiting off of trade in Corasir area) and what is happening in a role play sense (supplies being brought to the Corsairs and exports leaving Corsair area). The player doesn't see his wallet increase - so he thinks you are bad. Too bad the freelancer game software isn't more dynamic in its economy. If every correctly tagged corsair magically got a dividend from the trading going on.
But most of us realize the game software takes us only so far and we have to fill in the rest.
When my IMG character flies into corsair territory I try to alway have a load of something they need - even if it is just water. The official faction Corsairs I meet tend to appreciate this and it helps build relationships. Some of the TBH recognise me and call out to me now.
typical conversation:
"This is IMG Starless Black bringing Food Rations to Crete..."
"Proceed amigo, I'm hungry..."
On Corsairs, Junkers, Pirating, and Smuggling - Equinox - 02-21-2008
The Corsair you bumped into doesn't know what hes on about ... Artifact smugglers should be helped not taxed.
' Wrote:The Junkers' inforcard clearly states that they're the only unlawful faction that maintain neutrality in the war between Outcasts and Corsairs. Wth is his problem with Junkers? He just doesn't get the RP idea that you are actually hauling the stuff for the Corsairs... yea, sure, no Corsair player gets the money... that's why he probably doesn't like you. Which is dumb. It's like me trying to haul Boron to LD-14, and get halted by the BAF and told to drop the cargo because nobody is getting the Boron! *slams forehead*
Actually thats wrong, there are quite a few news reports ive read ingame that say the Junkers are leaning towards the Outcasts.
On Corsairs, Junkers, Pirating, and Smuggling - Unseelie - 02-21-2008
Just my bit of commentary, but it seems like this one is at least making an attempt.
If someone encourages him, and helps him, just a bit, it could do wonders.
On Corsairs, Junkers, Pirating, and Smuggling - SimonBlack - 02-21-2008
My god, the imbeciles...
On Corsairs, Junkers, Pirating, and Smuggling - chopper - 02-21-2008
The chump is a new one, just try to explain him everything.
He's new in Omicrons as well, he was in New York till yesterday.
So, this is actually a progress for him. Omegas are great.
Anyway, you TBH fellas should try to explain him a bit, it seemed to me that he is willing to listen and learn.
He was flying a Titan, now he is flying a Praetorian.
Isn't that nice for a change? I mean, don't you mostly see indies with Praefact cruisers and new Dreadies?
Also, Junkers are by no means safe from pirating. If you carry a Cardamine and a Junkers ID, I (as a Corsair) would probably kill you and take a fine for breaking the rules.
Or I would place a funny tax, like 10 million. Excuse to be trigger happy, yes, but with a reason.
In my eyes, the rule can't be applied there. And that Junker won't live enough to tell it to the other Junkers.
But, if you do carry Artifacts as you said, there is no reason for Corsair to bother you.
That is correct.
But you are by no means safe from Outcasts then, again, you deserve to die in their eyes.
You'll notice a pattern here.
And also I'v never seen Junkers as smugglers, more like dealers.
They are the last in that chain.
First the Production point, for example Malta. Second a Smuggler who brings it to a Junker base. Third, Junkers who deals it on populated Planets or bases.
Just my point of view.