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PVP Tanking - Luka - 01-08-2012
Hi
So I played Tanking classes in WoW (Prot Warrior) and Lineage 2 (Paladin) and FREAKING LOVED DOING BOTH:D(though it has to do with me being the worst shooter in the game too lol)
So then I was thinking of making up a ship that would fit the "Tanking" job in Disco, since everybody else are just rDPS and Repair ships can't be Healers since they don't have healing turrets like in Disco of Disco, and bombers are already nukers. The ship would pretty much have fast evasion and have a high amount of Hull
The nearest ship I got to a Tank is a Freighter, and actually been testing out the Anki and it worked out pretty well with just a AU8, though it can still fit a CAU8 and it's pretty fast and small enough to evade.
The Anki had missiles instead of guns for more damage and all turrets were debs (enough to lower a cruiser's shield) and would work like an aggro puller, and a Reinforced CD too. Tested it in Gamma and been able to take on a 'Sair Gank including Ossies and Arrancas, the Anki used few nans for repair around half hull and been able to get several ships off the SCRA until sever started crashing.
But haven't found anybody else able to do that group/party/whatever work in the server.
So just gonna ask, is there anybody else doing it or with ideas about it? Or I'm the only party Tank in Disco?
PVP Tanking - Zahas - 01-08-2012
Ship with higher armor = Tank
PVP Tanking - Azan27 - 01-09-2012
There is actually a fairly good strategy for PVP tanking that was used in my BAF| days. The whole tactic behind disco tanking, at least when it comes to PVP encounters, centers around getting the enemy to beleive that the tank ship is the most valuble target, and thus it becomes their alpha target. The main way we did this was to bring a group of fighters and bombers, maybe one or two gunboats, and a single large battleship in a battlegroup. Going up against a group of mostly gunboats, crusiers and battleships, with a few bombers, we would deploy our fighters along side the battleship, and have the battleship move slowly backwards. The entire enemy fleet would target the Battleship, because it was the highest value target in there eyes. The enemy bombers and gunboats would approach the battleship faster than their larger capitals, seperating their force as they attempted to catch the BS and stop it from escaping. From out, our superious snub numbers could pretty easily wipe out their gunboats. Then, our BS would let the larger enemy capitals get closer, and the two sides would exchange fire. From there, our bombers were pretty much free to tear apart their large capital force. At the end of the battle, our battleship would be inevitably destroyed, but by that time, their anti-bomber capabilities would be so damaged that we would easily wipe out a huge swath of their capital force. And that's how we'd use tanks in disco PVP; Get a big ship that you know your enemy is going to want to blow up, and use it to distract your enemy's force so you can disable their anti-bomber forces.
However, it sounds like your talking more about PVE tanking, in which case, Ossie with a repair ship in the background beats everything.
PVP Tanking - Ayatolah - 01-09-2012
' Wrote:Hi
So I played Tanking classes in WoW (Prot Warrior) and Lineage 2 (Paladin) and FREAKING LOVED DOING BOTH:D(though it has to do with me being the worst shooter in the game too lol)
So then I was thinking of making up a ship that would fit the "Tanking" job in Disco, since everybody else are just rDPS and Repair ships can't be Healers since they don't have healing turrets like in Disco of Disco, and bombers are already nukers. The ship would pretty much have fast evasion and have a high amount of Hull
The nearest ship I got to a Tank is a Freighter, and actually been testing out the Anki and it worked out pretty well with just a AU8, though it can still fit a CAU8 and it's pretty fast and small enough to evade.
The Anki had missiles instead of guns for more damage and all turrets were debs (enough to lower a cruiser's shield) and would work like an aggro puller, and a Reinforced CD too. Tested it in Gamma and been able to take on a 'Sair Gank including Ossies and Arrancas, the Anki used few nans for repair around half hull and been able to get several ships off the SCRA until sever started crashing.
But haven't found anybody else able to do that group/party/whatever work in the server.
So just gonna ask, is there anybody else doing it or with ideas about it? Or I'm the only party Tank in Disco?
Titan hero here :lol: (Lineage 2) , nah, i get what are you saying, but there's rarely such kind of organisation, at least in small pvp groups that tends to be in snubs... think about, you can compare swords and spells with guns and missiles...or torpedoes... the greater semblance i have found to that tipe of organisation is in great battles that involves all kind of ships.... odd thing those days:laugh:, but almost the 80% of those you'll see snubcraft, fighters and bombers aswell entering first and attempting to disrupt the bigger attention possible... those groups of snubs are the better semblance i have found here to the "tank" you mean
PVP Tanking - Luka - 01-09-2012
@AzraelDomonov
I mean PVP tanking.
What I do with the Anki is spamming debs on everybody (which I miss most of the time, but since they're like 2578243872 shots in 1, some hit), when their shields are down, I CD spam to evade them from escaping, then they start seeing me as annoying, and since it's a freighter, as an easy target, so some of them get on me and I evade and launch missiles so they get damage and more reason to attack me (missile + nukes = leave an Arranca at low Hull), so most people would think of me as some sort of mezzer/nuker while in fact I'm the complete opposite, then I start evading so the rest of the party can blow them up; but difering from what you did, I do survive.
Actually haven't done the "party blows them up" part yet since I was tanking to let SCRA escape from the Xtreme ganking the 'sairs did on them by grabbing the ganking myself (including ossies).
People told me about Cap tanking too, but they're pretty big and slow so I though it would be more a decoy than a tank.
PVP Tanking - Unseelie - 01-09-2012
Bowex also uses Clydes in a simmilar manner.
PVP Tanking - Govedo13 - 01-09-2012
You have no idea what to do and how to do it really. But it is np.
What about the enemy with good aim that destroys your "tank" before you can wipe them out?
Or what if they just pick other target if you see that you do only shield-running? 2 Fighters will wipe any freighter in no time with or without tanikng.:rolleyes:
If your battleship is done you cannot take bots from him for your bombers- it is much better to kill many enemy ships as fast as you can so less DPS can come to your way- actually the ones with more DPS and more Regenerators win. And it is dependable what you understand of "win" if you fight someone 10 vs 3 and loose 5 ships in the process of killing the 3 ships you haven't actually "won."
I feel that I win every time when I dock my ship alive somewhere after a fight.
PVP Tanking - Luka - 01-09-2012
' Wrote::You have no idea what to do and how to do it really. But it is np.
.....What?:mellow:
PVP Tanking - Luka - 01-09-2012
Oh ok now I see what you mean.:mellow:
1) Well there are obviously enemies with good aim, but getting them on you is specially the idea, so the rest of the party can get them easily, and he may have good aim, but it's going to take a while until he gets you if you have good evasion.
2) I said nothing about shieldrunning:laugh:, it's easier to hull-run in fact, and 2 fighters don't wipe a freighter, I've had several fighters behind and they only got damage from me chatting or from the ossie gank on me. And like I said, when they go get someone else, I got lots of debs and missiles, if you don't attack me, you get hit hard and CD as frak, if you do, then I'm winning cuz ur doing what I want you to do
3) wait if a non-tanking battleship's done he would not give bots to bombers either, everybody uses bots not just tanks. And it isn't just more dps and regen that wins, it's a lot of factors, like how much do the other guys hit, how much you hit, etc. And Like I said, an Anki uses few bots so it would have regens for a while. The point of a tank is that in a 5v3 fight they lose 3 ships while you just get 75% hull damage with 70/90 bots.
So no "best defense is a good offense" applies here, like my sig said earlier, "the best offense is a good defense", I'm a tank lover, tanks are awesome and I can do it here, k?........
...........k out of mad-mode, I mean, you can tank here, just need to be a bit creative and make it work in a dungeons and dragons way, I mean, not necesarily "aggro", but giving a reason to the enemy to attack you, thus generating "threat"
Though, I wanna point out, I've only used the Anki as an effective tank as of now and don't exactly know about using caps as tank.
PVP Tanking - mayu20 - 01-09-2012
You foungt indies right? I would die to see you applie that "tanking" think in Freelancer, wich is a shooter-sim combination in space. Try that on a actual faction. Or in a fight 5vs5 and there are 2 bombers at least. Tanking won't work in FL since in a group fight usualy you focus on the one that can't dodge. Or on the one that deals damage. Me tbh won't focus you for nothing. Since you are no threat for any of our fighters. Sever lags+our own lag=no hit for your missiles. So waht does that mean? Means that a ship like that is kinda useless, only good of it is feeding with bots the valuable pilots. But ofcourse that's only my opinion.