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Commodity prices on Dabadoru - Stoat - 06-18-2012
Just a request to get some rejigging of the prices of commodities on Dabadoru so there's at least some semblance of equality in price between there and Freeport 11.
BHG runs a trade arm, APM. In order for this arm to make any profits, they have to deliver to the Freeport, which makes me sad. For the majority of goods that make sense (Industrial Materials, Mining Machinery, Ship Hull Panels, Engine Components, Robotics etc) we actually make a loss. This sucks. It can be a lower price, just so long as it's worthwhile for our pilots to actually deliver there.
Please can prices be a bit more balanced.
I'd also like to request that Iridium be available to buy on Dabadoru, to reflect the fact that the station is smack bang in the middle of the field, and the Core does mine it.
I'd be even happier if it were removed from Freeport 11 altogether, as the Core actively targets and chases out any miner in the fields that doesn't have permission to be there. But I'm guessing that'll be unlikely.
Commodity prices on Dabadoru - Dashiell - 06-18-2012
*nods*
Daba needs to become more a trading hub thingy now that the core has lost its xenophobic ways and the colonisation of Naru is ongoing.
Commodity prices on Dabadoru - Pepe - 06-18-2012
I think Dabadoru's market is not following economic events at this moment. It is not just Fort-Core military instalation any more. Tons of goods and ore are getting transfered via dabadoru every day, to support Nauru colonisation.
And we all know what happens to prices when demand gets increesed.
At the other hand, there are tons of Iridium all arround, just to be shooted by Core mining fleet (operative now). How many tons of iridium Dabadoru must have stocked and at what price? Maybe 500, same like diamonds in Omegas? And how to prevent stealing and smuggling Iridium to FP11, where traders offer 2000 for it? Is that legal, anyway?
With respect,
Pepe
Commodity prices on Dabadoru - Hell Hunter - 06-18-2012
Corsairs/zoners/whatever also mine irdium from the planets crust (the ones in delta. those 2) and sells to freeport remember too.
but yes I agree, boost prices.
Commodity prices on Dabadoru - Jinx - 06-18-2012
RP wise - the original concept was that:
- corsairs: just a small supply depot - thats why the original delta design had corsairs use battleships there
- zoners: fully grown and self sufficient station
- core: just a depot to allow them a little more independency - originally it was not meant to be played in the nebula cause the core would mine or trade - but cause the corsairs would have destroyed it if it had not been hidden.
rp may have changed - but dabadoru was really just a ministation cause there were unexplainable conflicts of zoners being order allies and the core being a mutual vanilla zoner ally.
if there is serious roleplay about dabadoru having evolved from a small battlestation/outpost to a trading hub - things might change. RP wise however - the cores ( and for that matter the BHGs achilles heel ) is that they possess almost no infrastructure and depend almost entirely on the wellfare of factions like zoners. - hence the mutual defense agreement ( vanilla )
with that in mind - i m not sure if its an option to have dabadoru "evolve" into a competitive trade station. - fp11 is still meant to be the only REAL station there.
Commodity prices on Dabadoru - Agmen of Eladesor - 06-18-2012
' Wrote:RP wise - the original concept was that:
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rp may have changed -
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with that in mind - i m not sure if its an option to have dabadoru "evolve" into a competitive trade station. - fp11 is still meant to be the only REAL station there.
That shows the problem. We understand what the original concept was. RP HAS changed. Right now the Core is, in RP, colonizing and setting up a city on Nauru, and we're taking the planet away from the Corsairs (and that will eventually necessitate the removal of Yaren). We've had one major RP event with the Corsairs so far to reflect this, and we'll have another one next week.
We were working with AD on this before he left, so I don't know how much he's passed on to the rest of the dev team. Basically the Core has continued their expansion in Delta regardless of their losses, we've been doing it in game, and we'd like to see (since it's not that big of a deal) the prices changed on some of the commodities to reflect that.
We're delivering quite literally hundreds of thousands of commodities (343,000 pieces so far) out there for RP purposes - it'd be nice if we didn't end up losing 1,400 per commodity or more on a lot of things because of that. (I personally can afford it - some of the other people can't.)
Commodity prices on Dabadoru - Stoat - 06-18-2012
' Wrote:rp may have changed - but dabadoru was really just a ministation cause there were unexplainable conflicts of zoners being order allies and the core being a mutual vanilla zoner ally.
if there is serious roleplay about dabadoru having evolved from a small battlestation/outpost to a trading hub - things might change. RP wise however - the cores ( and for that matter the BHGs achilles heel ) is that they possess almost no infrastructure and depend almost entirely on the wellfare of factions like zoners. - hence the mutual defense agreement ( vanilla )
with that in mind - i m not sure if its an option to have dabadoru "evolve" into a competitive trade station. - fp11 is still meant to be the only REAL station there.
This is one of the problems we (as in everyone that plays here) face. This is NOT vanilla freelancer. It hasn't been for, oh, how long has this mod existed now? This is meant to be an RP server, yet I constantly see "vanilla" freelancer being used as a reason for things not changing. For the RP that's going on having absolutely no effect on the environment we are playing in. That seems to have been changing recently, but still..........
As far as the BHG / BHG Core possessing no infrastructure? Where on earth are you getting that from? Just take a look at Omega-56. There's a rather major shipyard there that produces all of the guild's ships from the Sea Serpent, all the way up to the Mako. If we possessed no infrastructure we simply wouldn't be able to produce any of these vessels. We'd rely on Civilian ships instead.
This isn't any kind of major request for change, it's just a little modification of prices on a distant station that would pay well for these deliveries in the first place. In RP it needs those deliveries to survive. The fact that any inRP deliveries we might make to the station make us a loss really kills any incentive people may have to deliver there. Relations between Zoners and the Core should be frosty to say the least considering all the things that have happened between the two groups over the past few years. The Core really wouldn't want to rely on the Zoners, and I'm sure the Zoners would be glad to be shot of the Core on their stations. Does that mean that Dabadoru should wither and die? When the BHG has a perfectly good trading arm (APM) to supply themselves? Can't think of anything more daft to be honest. This isn't about Dabadoru becoming a major trade hub. It's about there being a little bit of reward for those of us that bother to actually supply one of our bases with a little bit of profit (in admittedly virtual finances) for our hard work. Make sure the prices on Freeport 11 are higher than on Daba and there's no reason for anyone not part of the BHG to deliver there anyway.
We want to encourage more activity in a system that is barely used by the Corsairs, and is currently merely a staging area for fights in Zeta, Mu and similar areas. The fights are fun, if slightly repetitive, but it'd be nice to see a little more happening there. That's all we're trying to achieve. If this is seen as a bad thing, and that upping the prices of commodities on a base to increase activity in the system it lives in unbalances the game so much that people are worried about how it upsets perceptions of what "vanilla" freelancer was, I give up!
Commodity prices on Dabadoru - Jinx - 06-19-2012
temper, stoat - i have given you an information about how dabadoru is being considered - or has been when it was initially introduced, nothing more, nothing less.
as for vanilla - vanilla is what we base everything on. - the roots are vanilla - even for factions like the core, which are not vanilla. - hence the roots are the BHG. ( which incidently really uses other peoples bases as infrastructure having no commerce of its own - in vanilla - they do indeed trade mutual protection for a high interest ... especially in zoner freeports ) - of course, in vanilla, the bhg is very close to the zoners and the zoners are not at all in bed with the order.
as for "only a little adjustment to the prices"
it may not be that easy. - if we consider yaren as well as dabadoru nothing more than depots - the economical balance and the system stability is indeed freeport 11 ... a centerpoint of commerce and trade. it has importance, because it is the only civilized place in delta.
bhg as well as corsairs practicly live on their capital warships - that is why they bring those behemoths there. if they had a base like fp11, they would use short range ships ( remember, vanilla also mentions that crossing systems may take a long long time - so the core would not be able to get any fighter to delta without a capital warship )
when the powers shift there - the balance that is upheld by a neutral station tips. - the core is anything but invisible in delta - the corsairs are ever watchful. - and i daresay - so is the order and the zoners. nither of them wants one power to get the upper hand. but as you said - this is not about dabadoru becoming a major trade hub. - you just want the convenience of at least not making negative profit, i guess.
what i wish you to see is that even slight adjustments can have major effects on the stability and the balance of systems. sometimes - it makes sense to keep a disadvantage, sometimes it makes sense to evolve - but never unilaterally - one always have to consider the multitude of effects it can have.
but i am sure AD can recollect what was agreed on in that matter - and things can proceed from there on.
Commodity prices on Dabadoru - Agmen of Eladesor - 06-19-2012
' Wrote:temper, stoat - i have given you an information about how dabadoru is being considered - or has been when it was initially introduced, nothing more, nothing less.
as for vanilla - vanilla is what we base everything on. - the roots are vanilla - even for factions like the core, which are not vanilla. - hence the roots are the BHG. ( which incidently really uses other peoples bases as infrastructure having no commerce of its own - in vanilla - they do indeed trade mutual protection for a high interest ... especially in zoner freeports ) - of course, in vanilla, the bhg is very close to the zoners and the zoners are not at all in bed with the order.
as for "only a little adjustment to the prices"
it may not be that easy. - if we consider yaren as well as dabadoru nothing more than depots - the economical balance and the system stability is indeed freeport 11 ... a centerpoint of commerce and trade. it has importance, because it is the only civilized place in delta.
bhg as well as corsairs practicly live on their capital warships - that is why they bring those behemoths there. if they had a base like fp11, they would use short range ships ( remember, vanilla also mentions that crossing systems may take a long long time - so the core would not be able to get any fighter to delta without a capital warship )
when the powers shift there - the balance that is upheld by a neutral station tips. - the core is anything but invisible in delta - the corsairs are ever watchful. - and i daresay - so is the order and the zoners. nither of them wants one power to get the upper hand. but as you said - this is not about dabadoru becoming a major trade hub. - you just want the convenience of at least not making negative profit, i guess.
what i wish you to see is that even slight adjustments can have major effects on the stability and the balance of systems. sometimes - it makes sense to keep a disadvantage, sometimes it makes sense to evolve - but never unilaterally - one always have to consider the multitude of effects it can have.
but i am sure AD can recollect what was agreed on in that matter - and things can proceed from there on.
Okay, I'm going to get my ball bat out about now.
We're all quite well aware of how Daba was originally considered. But guess what?
You actually completely destroyed your own argument against modifying Dabadoru and the trade prices out there. You know why? I'll highlight the statement for you.
' Wrote:as for vanilla - vanilla is what we base everything on. - the roots are vanilla - even for factions like the core, which are not vanilla. - hence the roots are the BHG. ( which incidently really uses other peoples bases as infrastructure having no commerce of its own - in vanilla - they do indeed trade mutual protection for a high interest ... especially in zoner freeports ) - of course, in vanilla, the bhg is very close to the zoners and the zoners are not at all in bed with the order.Guess what?
Zoners aren't close to the BHG anymore. Remember they've kicked us OFF their bases more than once, and we're forbidden from staging anyone there anymore, and that ALSO happens to be one of the main reasons for Daba. And they ARE in bed with the Order - and everyone and their freaking brothers KNOWS it. Because ... and I'll type slowly since you're stuck in a rut here ... THIS ... IS ... NOT ... VANILLA ... ANYMORE ...
Nose of face this is plain as this is, yes? ( in Yoda(T) speak.)
Let me point something out here - effectively the Order at this particular juncture in the space time continuum has had their ass handed to them with both hands by both the Core (since we did capture Toledo) and then by the Nomads (since they blew UP Toledo). That leaves a nice hole in space, doesn't it?
What power do you have left in the Omicrons? The Zoners at Freeport 11? This group of space hippies that, even though they turned their backs on the houses and their infrastructure, managed to create these huge floating cities in space that somehow miraculously seem to be capable of feeding numerous planets, even though all they want to do is be left alone? The Corsairs? Come on - give me a break. It's again not vanilla - but we're past that stage, aren't we - but the Core has worked WITH the Corsairs before. Not basic RP, but guess what? It's dynamic RP.
And that last comment of mine is the key thing here. Are you supporting dynamic RP, or are you considering players to be simple puppets? Do you want to continue to support the activity that we of the player factions have started in the Omicrons, or are you trying to shut it down completely because it doesn't fit some little script and we're not acting like you're pulling our strings?
If I sound a bit upset, it's because you're repeating the same arguments over and over again, where sure sounds like you're working AGAINST the players and the player factions, and not with us. (Here's a little hint - we've (and by that, I'm referring to the BHG|Core and Order and Corsairs - the official factions here, you know, the guys are supposed to be caretakers for the lore of their player ID's) HAVE been talking about this, and HAVE reached some consensus on where we'd like to take things.
Now how the hell do you think I should feel when we find out that you're summarily dismissing hours, days, and even weeks of negotiations, discussions, and in-game and forum RP because it's not 'vanilla lore'. I don't think there's a big enough facepalm for that.
Sounds like a bunch of feces coming from the rear of a male bovine to me.
Commodity prices on Dabadoru - Daedric - 06-19-2012
Legitimate request. Logical if you consider current role play. Though the two of you should know better than to bother with his posts. Hit Friday or Xoria up, actual devs. I highly doubt a minor buff will unbalance anything...and i asked for the same to Freeport 14 and it was done.