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Wallace feedback thread - wmsandwmf - 08-25-2012
Okay, if anyone hasn't figured this out yet by multiple slipups with me forgetting changing accs on the forums, this is Spazzy speaking.
WMA was originally made by Psymple and Raul, the later of which then gave it to me when he left disco. Along with around 15 accounts. And a Rheinland Battleship in Zeta.
Anyway, up until now Wallace has been a simple base sitting next to Dublin gate in New London and buying ore from registered users, being supplied with nomads by Pirate IDed cloaked liners and being pretty much on life support.
When Raul gave it to me, I actually considered selling it, but before I do, I wanted to conduct an experiment.
Can I make a base into a valid trade route? Well, apparently yes, income vise. But things are much harder than I thought they would.
By the time of writing this, I have already lost 1.6 bil into this base, money I have no way of getting back in a while, since the JZ fell apart.
So what exactly was my idea?
I wanted to see if you can use POBs to make money while still giving some RP and OORP meaning. As in this case, to make money off the goods produced off the base, while paying the people who supply them. The core upgrade aside, I have made a few cloaks, made a bil. Fair enough, maybe it will pay off. Problem here is that if the price is not high enough, people will resort to mining and jump trading as opposed to actually using the base and bringing supplies.
Other problem is that if I set the price too high, I get one of these two scenarios:
I get people bringing stuff to my base, I get all the current building projects done, but when I sell the cloak, I lose money.
Or, even worse, my high prices make people rich and abandon trading for until they run out of money.
The later problem is the one I am currently facing with the gold miners. A lot of people mine gold, but not enough haul it. The second is because of the buying price of 4500 per unit. But it is also the reason why so many, even IM goddamn G are landing on that BMM POB and selling their ore by the bucketload.
Still, I am looking to further expand the RP. I want the base to be useful for something. So what could it be?
If you have feedback, give it. If you have suggestions, give it as well. I am all ears.
Wallace feedback thread - SummerMcLovin - 08-25-2012
Well today I've actually made a ship just to make money from your base (I can use it for other stuff later though). I guess this will be a problem after all your planned upgrades are completed. In the meantime though, it's a good deal for those willing to haul supplies to your base.
A solution to your Ore problem would be to take a leaf from Brimstone Refinery's book - alternate between buying and selling ore. Currently, you are never going to make any money, since you'll just recoup what you paid for it in the first place. I'd suggest an announcement that you are temporarily holding off on purchasing the stuff (and adjust your base settings accordingly) then get rid of some of the pile-up, maybe at a higher price - say 5000. Then when you get low enough, change it to not selling any, and buy at a lower price - around 3000.
Cloak sales can supplement this income.
Wallace feedback thread - jammi - 08-25-2012
' Wrote:A solution to your Ore problem would be to take a leaf from Brimstone Refinery's book - alternate between buying and selling ore.This is how King's Cross works. As a matter of a fact, KC has so many financial ledgers and reports tied to it, it appears to be run more like a business than most real shops. Not sure whether that's cool or depressing.
In any case, we're set up with a buy/sell difference of a few hundred credits. Generally we make a consistent station profit of around 1-200 million a month just from the ore. Obviously, individual miners and traders make a lot more than that. We also only employ the official BMM faction as miners, as an incentive for them.
Wallace feedback thread - SummerMcLovin - 08-25-2012
I thought it'd be similar for King's Cross too, although you can be a bit more controlled with it since you have selective docking. Brimstone and Wallace are open, so they might want to try and squeeze more profit out of it (whereas you can offer exclusive contracts).
Wallace feedback thread - Psymple - 08-25-2012
' Wrote:WMA was originally made by Psymple and Raul,
I know I constantly complain at you for not giving me any credit for stuff Spazzy...
But now your giving me credit for stuff I didnt do... xD
I just supplied it with Mike for a week or so whilst Rauls PC was buggered.
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My ONLY critism of your actions with the station is this:
If Raul had let me decide its fate I would have sold half of it to IC to use freely,
which might have stopped the pointless double stations in the exact same place.
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Anyway on subject,
Think you have done a really good job, I just wanted to do you a favor and deliver
a few SHP and ended up with 10 mil profit for very little work... I hope the gold buying
and selling brings you in enough profit to maintain the prices you currently have.
I am deffo going to shamelessly copy the way you are running WMS when I setup my
next base, just hope my wallet can support similar prices.
Keep up the great work.
Wallace feedback thread - wmsandwmf - 08-26-2012
Thank's for the replies, guys.
As for now, I do not think that there will be any problems regarding the sudden stop of builds. I will always be building something, so people will be able to make moneys.
As for the ore bit, the problem here is that I would be a very unhappy miner if I mined, went to the base only to find out that I cannot sell it off anymore.
I am trying to avoid such a situation. I suppose I could make a profit by running the ore to Liberty myself, but I do not have the time for it.
Right now the base soaks up around 250mil per day. Donations are always accepted:lol:but yeah. Hopefully after I start mass spamming cloaks things will get better.
Wallace feedback thread - sindroms - 09-02-2012
Bumpies.
Wallace feedback thread - Miranda - 09-05-2012
All your ore comes from IMG indies, and its a BMM base.
Wallace feedback thread - wmsandwmf - 09-05-2012
Too bad for them. Monopoly ftw.
A Kruger Minerals IDed rheinland train just took some ore off the base.
Wallace feedback thread - Altejago - 09-05-2012
Help us to get Bretland officials to allow us to jump into Bretland, we'll jump trade it to our PoB by the Barge load