Gallic cruisers. - Printable Version

Gallic cruisers. - Printable Version

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Gallic cruisers. - Timmy - 12-04-2012

Couldn't find this thread, so decided to make one myself.

GRN cruiser is big piece of .... and that's not only my opinion. Perhaps it need to be buffed a bit? Because basically Gallia have nothing against bretonian destroyers. Wondering of your opinion and thoughts about necessary buffs.

RE: Gallic cruisers. - TonyRistar - 12-04-2012

Why use the cruiser, when you have the valors forward gun to compensate. Missed your shot? No worries

RE: Gallic cruisers. - Hone - 12-04-2012

I agree, from what I can see, the council cruiser got a larger increase in agility, than the grn cruiser did in firepower, I say the GRN cruiser should have more firepower to compensate.

RE: Gallic cruisers. - Connor - 12-04-2012

(12-04-2012, 10:24 PM)TonyRistar Wrote: Why use the cruiser, when you have the valors forward gun to compensate. Missed your shot? No worries

RE: Gallic cruisers. - Timmy - 12-04-2012

Well, forward gun of valor even if you're pvp whore won't be able to compare to bret dessie agility. And there is not much that can hit it, put CM and it can dodge missiles forever. Put 3 cerbs and it will rape any valor you drop on them.

RE: Gallic cruisers. - Anaximander - 12-04-2012

even if the grn obstinate had battlecruiser stats, it would still suck. everything is completely wrong with that ship from size over agility to turret arcs. the council one is a tad bit better, but it still suck so badly that a lot of council players choose a nerfed thannie over it. food for thought. also what mctemka says is true, the gallic fleet need to be able to field cruisers to have success against bret dessies.

RE: Gallic cruisers. - TonyRistar - 12-04-2012

PROTIP: use sub targetting, target their cm dropper. even your missiles home better.

the more you know. bret dessie is broken but subtargetting overcomes

RE: Gallic cruisers. - FallenKnight - 12-04-2012

(12-04-2012, 09:47 PM)McTemka Wrote: Because basically Gallia have nothing against bretonian destroyers. Wondering of your opinion and thoughts about necessary buffs.

As always I will drop more words to support my thought for buffing the GRN cruiser.

RP explanations
We all know Gallia prepared for this war for a very long time. They placed all high techs on their ships, they are using the last inventions in the technology and some of the most modern ships ever seen in Sirius.
The only disadvantage is the preservation the GRN used during all these years of hiding and waiting to strike. They never had different enemies using different ships. They never had the opportunity to fight another House, to witness the fruits of the Nomad Wars.
In short - Gallia was evolving by themselve instead to do "mistakes" and learn from them. That is why their ships, even considered as masterpiece, are old. Old from warfare point of view.

On the other hand, the bretonian navy had multiple conflicts where they had to fight with what they had, to improve whats left, to evolve in to something better. With the combined knowledge taken during the war with Kusari and the past they have improved their fleets.
The Bretonian destroyer is a true masterpiece for warfare which was improved (in lore probably) a lot of times in order to stay on the level of the modern ship technology. To compare the GRN cruiser with a ship which served during ~500 years, improved since then is a mistake. Considering the bretonian destroyer is their primary warship - its normal for that ship to have advantages over the GRN one.

OORP
I too had a GRN cruiser before few months. I've encountered its weakness and its strength. From my experience with that ship I can tell its excellent for nearly any situations but primary - for supporting the huge valors by keeping close formation with them.
That ship already have more armor than the bretonia destroyer, more weapons and - with better arcs. The only disadvantage is and will remain its maneuverability due to its size. Huge advantage remains the 4 primary heavy turrets, which if mounted with cerberus - may deal quite a lot of damage to any ship.
The bret dessi is balanced to turn faster because of the ship's size and shape. Comparing it with the GRN one would be a mistake for the ships are totaly different.
The GRN cruiser is better support ship for the Valor while the Bretonian destroyer is better support ship for fighting big ships instead to stay in formation with bretonian battleship. Due to its arcs the GRN one can provide more cover for the valors than bret dessi for a dunkirk.

Ideas for improving GRN cruiser
-slight armor buff
-1 or 2 more standart turrets (cuz really that ship is easy prey for bombers)
-considering the above - slight reduction in speed

Aside from all this, the ship may not look strong in some situations but its really shining in fleet combat as primary shield for the valors against enemy capital ships. Not on last place - that ship was build in large numbers to overwhelm the enemy. 2500 cruisers (grn side) vs 500 destroyers (bret side) speaks a lot. Somtimes quantity is better than quality. Smile

RE: Gallic cruisers. - Timmy - 12-05-2012

No comments to your RP explanation, i agree with this point. But about 4 heavy guns... They shoot only forward. on sides an shot only 3, backward only 2. And to shoot backward you need to be in close range to enemy battleship. Normally each cruiser can solo beat any battleship. This one however can't beat even big battleships, because to hit it, GRN cruiser have to stay in 1-1.5k range which is close enough to hit it due to size.

Buff of armor would be good, but no need of adding more turrets, better just make those that present turn with bigger angle. Or just replace them to other spots... which is the same.

And yea, iRP GRN forces bigger... but in game... let's say, the same story as in RM/LN wars.

RE: Gallic cruisers. - Reptile - 12-05-2012

Any comments?

Quote:Not on last place - that ship was build in large numbers to overwhelm the enemy. 2500 cruisers (grn side) vs 500 destroyers (bret side) speaks a lot.

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