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GMG trading fleet - Reptile - 12-23-2012
I have proposition for 1 of the most important faction in our game - this is Gas Miner Guild.
This faction giving fuel for almost all houses in game.Without this fuel house will die or will be separated. Because fuel - moving traders ships,they giving resources for faction which giving work for people in all houses. I think this is very important faction in game,and somehow we can call it monopolistic faction in game.
For degeneration this faction i want propose to give them "Gas tanker" ship,only for GMG faction using. And only Hfuel (maybe water,oxy and etc materials which is similar as hfuel,liquid i mean).
But i want notice - ONLY FOR GMG. Not for Kusary or Kruger and etc.
Do this in style of real gas tankers:
![[Image: 2.jpg]](http://topneftegaz.ru/images/analitics/танкер2.jpg)
For example:
Size bigger than even Rheinland train Colossus.
Cargohold 6000 (only for hfuel using,oxy,water,maybe other stuff which is liquid)
Armor 170.000
2 turel slots (360,around ship)
Slow moving
no cm
transport shield
Energy core - 15.000
Design is similar to Kusary\GMG and real tanker.
I think this is will give more RP to game from GMG trading to other far houses.
I mean escort.
P.S. again i want notice,we must remove rule about pirating on capital ships. Even with 5 snubs this tanker will burn in few minutes from lonely pirate cruiser.
Pirate faction cannot use for pirating ships bigger than GB. Or this tanker will be dead too.
Traders have no real defense from pirates for now,escorts will not save them.
thank you.
RE: GMG trading fleet - Omicron - 12-23-2012
http://discoverygc.com/wiki/T-282-F_%22Garanchou%22_GMG_Freighter
http://discoverygc.com/wiki/T-382-T_%22Kamome%22_Kusari_Transport
http://discoverygc.com/wiki/T-482-T_%22Kujira%22_GMG_Transport
RE: GMG trading fleet - Reptile - 12-23-2012
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Check first post,AGAIN please.
im talking about exclusive transport for GMG. Which can be builded on Kusary shipyards only for GMG using.
Big cargohold and monopoly for hfuel trading. 6000 cargohold nobody has,but GMG will. This will bring more RP to GMG side,ofc if rule about pirating on caps will be removed.
Feel the difference. Not only you can use your browser and check wiki...not only you. But thanks,i see that you can perfectly use copy\paste - this is good.
RE: GMG trading fleet - SummerMcLovin - 12-24-2012
Again, this isn't really needed. What Golly was trying to say is that they already have their own transports, and instead of one big slow 6ker (which would likely unbalance the game's economy in GMG's favour), why not make a convoy of multiple ships? Sounds like better RP to me...
Building it on Kusari shipyards and then Kishiro not using them is rather unusual too.
Again, this isn't really needed and is unlikely to accomplish what you want it to.
RE: GMG trading fleet - Reptile - 12-24-2012
Okay,tankers has only countries which selling Oil in our time,and "oh miracle!" they was build in other countries.
For example in real world:
France can build such type of ships,because has shipyards and some experience in this job. Saudi Arabia cant build this type of ships (has no shipyards for such ships and some technology base). But Saudi Arabia has Oil and can export it,and France can buy it,but has no Oil in such needs.
So France build this ships > S.A. will export Oil on this ship to France.
All simple,GMG has no technology base\resources\human resources\experience in building such type of ships,but they always was under Kusary control. So the best way to take monopoly for Hfuel trading in sirius - ask Kusary to build such types of ships for them individual.
Kusary not need such types of ships because:
1.They has not so many fuel export in Sirius
2.They are not monopolists of Sirius
3.5000 already enough for selling their number of mined fuel ( in many times lower than GMG)
4.They are House and most part of their mined Hfuel going to themselves,not to export.
But GMG not need such many of Hfuel for their needs,they need to export it...thats why they must has such big transport(tanker). Tankers are biggest ships in our time,check it,if you dont believe in it.
Even bigger than carriers.
RE: GMG trading fleet - Jarael - 12-24-2012
If you really want a big ship, use a Barge. Otherwise, the 'tanker' in Sirius is the Titanic. It just needs more sell points, IMO. At the moment, that civilian ship is only sold on a Daumann base. I think it is getting another sell point in 4.87, though.
RE: GMG trading fleet - monmarfori - 12-24-2012
Yes, and stork is a problem since it sells in a Daumann base (causes trouble for liberty traders, IMG and BMM.)
RE: GMG trading fleet - SummerMcLovin - 12-24-2012
Except you may possibly have chosen the worst analogy because Samura and Kishiro can and do mine their own Helium-3, one of the main components of H-Fuel. The French also have their own oil-tankers, since the industry is not as segregated as in Freelancer.
Like I said before, they already have their own mining and hauling ships for this fuel, and if you want to "RP more" then a bigger convoy of regular ships would do so.
RE: GMG trading fleet - Zynth - 12-24-2012
Um....no.
Firstly, it is quite impossible to restrict a ship to only hauling liquids and gaseous materials. It is hard coded into the game and whatnot.
Therefore, your ship with a cargo space of 6k will become the overused silent power-trader ship because nobody gives a damn about who owns ships now with the cargo nerfs. Like hell the power-traders would even see a need for weapons anyway.
Therefore it won't happen.
Now with technicalities gone, I shall remove whatever roleplay material you have suggested.
You say that H-fuel runs the wheels of Sirius. I beg to differ, there are other fuel sources out there, contrary to what you say. There is MOX that Bretonia and Rheinland often use and then there's Gallic promethene. GMG does not run a monopoly in the fuel industry.
Now let's say that H-fuel is the only fuel source available. Even then your point does not stand because GMG isn't the only gas mining faction out there. Other factions mine gas, either in small amounts for personal use, or larger amounts for export. A prime example is Mannheim station in Frankfurt, owned by Kruger and is mining gas from Heidelberg for Rheinland.
Now even if GMG does control the H-fuel industry and is supremely powerful and almighty because it controls every god forsaken house in Sirius, it still won't produce its own ships, GMG's alliance with Kishiro ensures that. Kishiro is a Kusarian keiretsu that has shipbuilding expertise. The GMG would therefore want to outsource their ships to Kishiro for cheaper production. In return, Kishiro is bound to obtain the rights to using the ship since Kishiro does deal in the fuel industry as well. Frankly put: The fact that Kusari does not -need- the ships, does not mean they don't -want- it. I mean, I don't need billions of money, a mansion and a personal helicopter to live my life, doesn't mean I don't want that.
Now let's say the GMG does the ship building itself. Why keep it to themselves? Such a useful ship would definitely find buyers from all around Sirius. They would earn quite a bit of credits selling ship plans out to individual contractors to produce the ships for them and sell them off at the same time.
Finaly, don't tell me you want exclusivity to this. A civilian transport would defintely be taken to the world market. Which is why everybody in the world gets to buy Ferraris and not just the Italians. If you want to bring up other exclusive things like fighters and battleships, don't bother. Those are military stuff. Like hell America would suddenly sell top-secret military ships to random people on the internet.
Summary: Your entire statement, both in terms of statistics and balancing and in roleplay, does not make sense and will therefore not happen.
In simple English: No.
PS: It's called "Kusari" not "Kusary".
RE: GMG trading fleet - Reptile - 12-24-2012
your critics is bad.
first of all,Rheinland not producing so many hfuel - how many they need,like a Bretonian in Leeds and others.
THis is mean their houses are importing Hfuel from GMG,because their fuel are not enough for their needs.
Thats why it calls monopoly.
second,about powertrading.we have an admins,which can check screens about wrong using ships and do some FR5 in all sirius from GMG name.Or maybe delete this ships,for wrong using.
in real game,when i see people in cargohold in transport ship - im asking to drop them,because this is not cargo,this is humans,or dock with nearest station and sell them,because this is not slaves.Or i opening fire in RP.
Balance have nothing in your words,with this Forum balance soon Disco will has every evening lower than even 70 players,because there is no balance,not in RP and not in Real game.
Carriers = battleships
Carriers = cannot be used normal as carriers
Caships pirating poor transports,where pirate faction even have no fuel for using ships which they cannot build.
Tanker = simple trading ships.
and etc.
but anyway,i proposing only.