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The problem with the Junkets Congresses 'Saltese' base in Humboldt... - Lythrilux - 02-21-2013
Foreword: this in general discussion because I feel that this is a problem for money makers in Humboldt..
Back to the topic at hand.Recently, junker congress has implemented a new base installation in the silver field in Humboldt. At first, I fully welcomed this new development as a way to keep miners safe from pirates who may wish to do them harm. I never really bothered asking how the base would make money because I'd never really asked any base owners of any kind how they made money from their base.
Today, I found out how Saltese makes money, and it isn't a very nice way.
Basically, to mine in the silver field you'd be within range of the base, and it's weapons platforms. Now, unless you are registered to the base the weapons platforms will shoot you. That doesn't sound too bad at first but get this: to be registered you HAVE to fill up the base with silver ore. You can't fill up haulers because they will be forced to buy silver from Saltese for 4000 credits!
It doesn't sound too bad when you do think about it, it is a rip off silver field is useless compared to copper field.
Here's the math:
A transport with around 1100 cargo space will have to pay 4000 for each piece of silver. That's 4,400,000 spent on getting the silver! And then you sell it at cali minor, and you make 10,067,200. Total profit is only 5,667,200! That's awful comparedto the copper fieldd, for the extra one system journey you make DOUBLE THAT (if you go to planet denver in colorado and sell copper there).
It gets worse the more cargo space your ship has:
A 5000 cargo vessel will spend 20,000,000 on buying silver and will sell it for 45,670,000. Only making 25,670,000 in profit! That barely anything when compared to copper; you'd make 48,000,000 profit instead! Yet again, double money.
I had a discussion with a congress member and pointed out all of this to him. In defence of the base he said it'd give you protection from pirates.
To be honest, this can't really be a decent claim since pirates can
Just wait by the hole for you.
Personally, I'd rather pay a single payment of 15,000,000 (highest tax I have seen in Humboldt) to a pirate if i was doing a copper run rather than (if i had a stork), paying 20,000,000 each run for silver.
Basically, I see this base as a threat to silver mining in liberty, It makes it hardly Profitable for the journey.
People will just go and mine in the copper field because it's faster and brings in more money.
Tl;Dr this base will most likely kill silver mining in Humboldt.
I hope I have misread and I am wrong though, since the congress usually knows what they're doing.
What do you guys think?
RE: The problem with the Junkets Congresses 'Saltese' base in Humboldt... - Narcotic - 02-21-2013
I don't see the problem here. If the prices are that worse as you say, the base will die when nobody goes there anymore. I bet they'll readjust the prices once nobody goes there anymore.
RE: The problem with the Junkets Congresses 'Saltese' base in Humboldt... - Lythrilux - 02-21-2013
(02-21-2013, 01:08 AM)Narcotic Wrote: I don't see the problem here. If the prices are that worse as you say, the base will die when nobody goes there anymore. I bet they'll readjust the prices once nobody goes there anymore.
That's what I was trying to earn a congress member about, but he didn't listen
RE: The problem with the Junkets Congresses 'Saltese' base in Humboldt... - SMGSterlin - 02-21-2013
Sounds like a strategic and hostile take over a valuable asset. I applaud the Congress.
RE: The problem with the Junkets Congresses 'Saltese' base in Humboldt... - Lythrilux - 02-21-2013
(02-21-2013, 01:43 AM)SMGSterlin Wrote: Sounds like a strategic and hostile take over a valuable asset. I applaud the Congress.
Not smart in the long term, and once people know they'll stop using it.
RE: The problem with the Junkets Congresses 'Saltese' base in Humboldt... - Cris - 02-21-2013
This idea is awesome. About the prices, if people stop going there the base will either die or they will have to readjust the prices.
RE: The problem with the Junkets Congresses 'Saltese' base in Humboldt... - The Creature - 02-21-2013
Both as the leader of DSE and the leader of LR-, this is a long time coming.
Junkers have the ability to play both sides of the fence, and considering that the amount of power/meta gamers that currently plague this server, the Congress have gone out of their way to make life easier for those that actually value this game.
If you think it's unfair, go away. It's the same answer I get about other stupid things that go on in this server. So take a concrete pill and harden the fudge up. Go make your money else where. People whine about fairness, Christ, I do too but no one cares about that. What people care about is pissing other players off and it's about goddamned time that the good players on this server got one back at the rest of you muppets.
So I'll say this once and for all: Put up with it or piss off.
Kudos to the Junkers for succeeding where many others have failed.
RE: The problem with the Junkets Congresses 'Saltese' base in Humboldt... - Ingenious - 02-21-2013
Yeah, I helped supply this base because I know the Congress, and they're pretty much the antithesis of everything wrong with the server.
RE: The problem with the Junkets Congresses 'Saltese' base in Humboldt... - Gypsie - 02-21-2013
I think it was a smart move indeed.
RE: The problem with the Junkets Congresses 'Saltese' base in Humboldt... - Echo 7-7 - 02-21-2013
I think 4000 credits a piece is fairly standard for pre-mined ore. Generally, haulers pay anywhere between 30% to 50% of the best sale price.
This particular business model is unique as far as mining bases are concerned. It looks pretty safe (at a glance) for miners; haulers get the short end due to a monopolised source. If the prices get too steep, though, they will just go elsewhere.