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Transport Forward Guns - TLI-Inferno - 03-17-2013
I think it would be really neat to see "Transport Forward Guns". Like gunboat forward guns, only for ships like the Salvager, which has a really cool place on the front where a forward gun would be pretty sweet. These guns would be class 6. You wouldn't see them on every transport, obviously, but ones like the Salvager, maybe the Democritus's forward-firing gunboat turret could be replaced with one.
Sure, what if somebody puts a bomber gun on the slot instead? Well, that would be a lot weaker than a forward gun, so I don't think that's anything to worry about. Sure, what if the bombers, put the transport forward gun on their slot instead? They wouldn't have enough power to use it, anyway, so it'd be just like fighters mounting useless gunboat forward guns. My point is, don't complain about things that wouldn't be a problem.
Anyway, I think it'd be pretty neat.
Edit: Or you could just all vote No without actually bothering to say why.
RE: Transport Forward Guns - Swallow - 03-18-2013
Transports are meant to avoid not to assault and face enemy.
RE: Transport Forward Guns - Veygaar - 03-18-2013
(03-18-2013, 10:56 AM)Swallow Wrote: Transports are meant to avoid not to assault and face enemy.
RE: Transport Forward Guns - TLI-Inferno - 03-18-2013
(03-18-2013, 10:56 AM)Swallow Wrote: Transports are meant to avoid not to assault and face enemy.
Correction -- Most transports are meant to avoid. That's why these would be limited to only a few transports.
Just like most transports only use transport turrets, and don't have any gun slots. But not all of them.
However, to say transports like the "Gallic Assault Transport" aren't meant to assault, would be rather ridiculous. That's kind of the entire RP reason behind it.
The democritus even has a forward-limited gunboat turret.
RE: Transport Forward Guns - Veygaar - 03-18-2013
True, but keep in mind... Bombers would most likely be able to fire them, given their same and sometimes higher powercores. Or you could make it it's own class.
At any rate this would take quite a bit of work, I personally would like to see the return of Fighter class turrets on Transports.
RE: Transport Forward Guns - TLI-Inferno - 03-18-2013
(03-18-2013, 12:08 PM)Veygaar Wrote: True, but keep in mind... Bombers would most likely be able to fire them, given their same and sometimes higher powercores. Or you could make it it's own class.
At any rate this would take quite a bit of work, I personally would like to see the return of Fighter class turrets on Transports.
I wasn't talking about giving a transport forward gun to every joe of a transport.
Combat-oriented transports generally have power cores of about 90,000. Making it so that bombers can't fire the transport guns would be pretty easy.
And even if bombers were able to use the transport forward gun... It'd be a lot weaker and less power-efficient than their bomber guns and SNACs anyway. But still, bomber cores go up to 47k, so with the battle transports having 90k cores preventing bombers from using their guns would be pretty easy. Additionally, transports with a transport forward gun could always have their core kicked up even more, and given the power-hungry gun.
RE: Transport Forward Guns - Mr.Fabulous - 03-18-2013
I don't really know the logic behind the Democritus sporting a GB turret slot. It can't equip missile-turrets, and the damage ratio of the solaris/primary-type isn't as significant if you'd just use a transport-turret with the "same" statistics
But I digress.
About the Salvager... that thing can equip Gunboat turrets. That thing's already awesome WITHOUT the added feature of TFG's. IF you turned the GB turrets into mere tranny-turrets, THEN we can talk about adding TFG's.
Granted, it would make "some" sense for the Gallic Assault Transport to have such... the Valor has the design-philosophy, so why not the same with the transport? Then again... the "assault" word could just imply it's used for boarding ships, not tearing them apart.
You know... maybe, just maybe, the TFG's can be adapted for MINING ships. iRP, mining ships would use such turrets for destroying asteroids into smaller pieces. So it'd make sense if mining ships went, "Hey! We've got nutcrackers! Pirates are nuts! So...?"
... and then heavy Q_Q of miners-becoming-imbalanced-versus-pirate-gunboats get opened, balance-rawrs ensue, lololololol.
yeah.
RE: Transport Forward Guns - TLI-Inferno - 03-18-2013
(03-18-2013, 02:01 PM)leonardo_tigre Wrote: I don't really know the logic behind the Democritus sporting a GB turret slot. It can't equip missile-turrets, and the damage ratio of the solaris/primary-type isn't as significant if you'd just use a transport-turret with the "same" statistics
But I digress.
About the Salvager... that thing can equip Gunboat turrets. That thing's already awesome WITHOUT the added feature of TFG's. IF you turned the GB turrets into mere tranny-turrets, THEN we can talk about adding TFG's.
Granted, it would make "some" sense for the Gallic Assault Transport to have such... the Valor has the design-philosophy, so why not the same with the transport? Then again... the "assault" word could just imply it's used for boarding ships, not tearing them apart.
You know... maybe, just maybe, the TFG's can be adapted for MINING ships. iRP, mining ships would use such turrets for destroying asteroids into smaller pieces. So it'd make sense if mining ships went, "Hey! We've got nutcrackers! Pirates are nuts! So...?"
... and then heavy Q_Q of miners-becoming-imbalanced-versus-pirate-gunboats get opened, balance-rawrs ensue, lololololol.
yeah.
Forward guns aren't good against gunboats. Anyway, I wasn't talking about giving them battleship FG stats, so it's not like it'd make some massive huge difference. It'd just be a weaker version of gunboat FG's, which aren't very good to begin with.
RE: Transport Forward Guns - Lythrilux - 03-18-2013
The way I see it, transports are like Germany after the ToV:
They're armed, not meant to pick fights in their current state, but not strong enough to defend themselves.
I think a forward gun might be ok, but I don't see it making any difference to transports.
What they need are some REAL weapons.
They need watered down GB turrets, or something like that.
RE: Transport Forward Guns - Challenger - 03-18-2013
I could see this working for a couple of transports.
The Pachyderme and Ryuujin for example might sensibly sport a forward gun without altering their general combat inferiority, because their firing arcs are already concentrated forward. If you want to kill one in a bomber, all you have to do is sit under the rear of the ship and bomb it back to the stone age.
Forward guns on transports could potentially add some flavor and variety to what are otherwise drab and uninteresting vessels. Surely PvP balance could be achieved by massaging the numbers.
It's an interesting suggestion.
EDIT: Wrote Kujira, meant Ryuujin.