You cant judge people on what you assume them to be. Because you an technicly assume anything about them. This is one of the main principals of now day advanced law ( I mean Roman/Germanic)
For now Majestic, you have an assumption of me being a nazi and search for any justification to justify your expectations, yet in the same way how you are biased you are going to ignore any arguments who proves your assumption to be false.
In this way way of dialectics are pushed out of the discussion, which makes it absolutely pointless. I dont even see a reason to discuss anything with a person, who seeks for any possible justifications to fuel personal hatred.
Bt the way.. all this method of assumption and stereotyping is main base from where all the discrimination comes. By than trying to seek some dust in the others eyes, you refuse to admit you have a log in your own.
I do not advocate public use of svastikas in daylife. Some people might get it wrong. Please read the first post. It's about cencorship which is ... ridiciliuos in my opinion. It seems some people are already pissed about it being legal more than it be publicized. No-one is up to walk around with svastiak t shirt and such. Why? becouse there is common sense of right and false. I approve that some people might get offended. But why to cencor Svastika amongst people who don't get offended and do not treat it as some political symbom? Why those need to suffer than ones who might get offended don't even face it?
Actually Hitler didn't kill people, but idiots who let him control them did. I find Hitler as a symbol but not as a murderer.
If I tell 10 people to kill someone, or they will be killed. It's their choice, I still didn't put blood on my hands, of course assuming they don't refuse :D
from what we ( or i ) have seen - you (where did it run) are a nazi or someone pretending to be one. - when you joined the forum, you couldn t resist to show signs and pictograms of nazism - and before that avatar you use at that time, your avatar showed boots that are usually associated with extreme right wing skinheads ( no, not the labour skinheads of midland england )
now - if YOU used a swastika, i d guess that you just wannt show some more of your political ideas of a "herrenrasse" - if you say "oh, my, but i m no nazi" ---- you re doing very badly pretending not to be one.
however - if someone who has never yet shown any tendencies to be associated with nazis used the hooked cross - and was known to be a very religious person of hinduism ( or wahtever its a sign of ) - it wouldn t be associated with nazis.
in any way - i hardly a reason why religious symbols should need to be shown and discussed here anyway. nither do i see a reason why forbidden political symbols need to be discussed on a freelancer forum.
i am sure you can get along without declaring your political view for the time you re here.
My assumptions are not based onnly the fact that you are a skinhead, its more because you used that nazi rune as an avatar, told someone here you would beat him up because he placed latvia in the coalition, that guy pointed out that your rune was a neo nazi symbol, then you changed yoru avatar to a pitbull with bomer jacket and dock martins, then to Nelson from simposns raising his arm and saying haha (which is a neonazi recognition symbol like tha number 88 for "heil hitler", and you now you complain when people find the swastika offensive.
If people properly read my post, you would see that I didnt say all skinheads were nazis, or that all swastikas are nazi symbols. There are all over the place in india, and since they arent associates with nazism there, I got absolutely no problem with it. I dont even have a problem with my grandparents having decorative china plates from their wedding that still has a swastika on the back, because they dont try to whitewash nationalism and nazism and I know they hated it.
You, however, have used neonazi coding that have nothing to do with "cultural heritage"
Its the combination of your avatars, your hair style, and the things your post that make it pretty obvious to me that you are trying to get people to accept neozi symbols and nationalism. Of course you wont admit to it openly, at least not here in public. Your strategy is to play innoscent and play victim, while trying to get nazi symbols accepted again and portraying those who use them to show their acceptance of nazism as poor opressed victims.
Again views based on assumption. Yes I am a skinhead and allthe attributes used by non traditional most mostly applies to the right wing nazi ones. Such as:
Dr. Martens boots
Jackets
Shaved head
Rolled jeans above the boots
And so on.
Taditional ain't Oi! - there are the diffrence. Oi! is not neccesery from working class which I'm not. I rather seek education than be proud of being an idiot working in the docks or so.
For the symbols usage in avatar there was few who some of the people remember quite good:
4 whipsnake svastika. A photo of one jewelyric art work
Wotan rune. Which is germanic god similiar to skandinavian Odin.
^ I'm proud to keep the old pagan traditions and pagan symbols. Yet I really fell unfairly treated than each time these symbols appears i'm assumed to be nazi. That's sign of protest against that. Which was common few years ago in my rioting teen blood at those times.
Pitbull in skinhead outfit which was never ever political orantied.
Homer simpson with fred perry and sipder web tattoo on ancle. That's traditional skinhead outfit as well.
Skinead boots avatar. Boots expecially Dr.Martens are common between apolitical ones. Right wing once more likely use Panzer ones I don't assiciate myself.
There is a tendency in the society to be oversensetive aboutcurrent subject. It appears as ... most likely calling any right wing views a radical or assume it be form of nazism. Even than it's not. ussaly such person get's lynched before he had a chance even to open his mouth. You get a victim of discrimnation, becouse people assume you to be one. You don't have any right to speak anything in the same case, becouse you are afraid to speak your mind, just ebcouse it might be assumed to be "Hiden nazi" .. in all this oversensetive nazi paranoia.
As for me. I get insulted to be compared by the nazi. Yes I am nationalist. But god damn it try to think rationaly. How I can be nazi if same Hitler had plants to anihilate and colonize entire batic nation of mine? HE spoke skeach at Klaipėda city where he mentioned: "Lithuanias are good only for feeding pigs and polishing boots for germans." For even more. Nazi as ideology is not even possible for such small nations as mine. Becouse it says that small nations need to be exterminated.
And then you as a person really are against radical view like this. Same as I am agaisnt soviet.. one, becouse one is based on other social background more than ethic backgrund..
I really feel insulted. And leaves a taste of unfariness.
I end this thread. Becouse same happened once again. Oh biggie you get used to be hated, becose people assume you to be the one you not really are. Now you undersant in this way why suchgroups as SHARPS are created. Who just turn their unfair feeling into violance and hatred they blame on rigth wing skinheads.
' Wrote:i hardly a reason why religious symbols should need to be shown and discussed here anyway. nither do i see a reason why forbidden political symbols need to be discussed on a freelancer forum.
Indeed.
Censorship: The suppression or proscription of speech or writing that is deemed obscene, indecent, or unduly controversial.
I am censoring this thread as it falls under the third one.
Nazism: a topic almost as controversial as bomber balance.