Brigand bomber

[VoluptaBox]

I've only flown the thing long ago, and it seemed okay to me. And no, I don't think that's the reason it should suck, he's just saying that you shouldn't be fighting battleships with it. And even if you are, a light bomber comes in handy, much more than a heavy one.

[Jinx]

judging from its stats and size.... it appears to be OK. - although it is slightly larger than the RH bomber and GMG bomber - and those have a small bomber plant ( or the medium one depending on how you classify them ) - while the brigand one has the small one ( or shf as i usually call them ).

the brigand appears to have to fight the rather powerful gallic army - with an arguably strong battleship. ( and i think it was agreed on that this is a bombers purpose )



it would be helpful to get more views from the GRNs point of view - how they consider the brigand bomber swarms.


we ll only really find out in the beta though - when the ships have been rebalanced. for now however.... the brigands appear to be very unhappy with their bomber.

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[Echo 7-7]

Take a brigand bomber into combat. see how long you last. It doesent HANDLE like a light bomber, making it really sorta pathetic.

It's ok, I know what you're talking about, I have one too. I hardly fly it though. Handling is... embarrassing considering the power core. You have to ask yourself why you're not flying a Basilisk instead which handles like a VHF.

Down-edit: Reading aerelm's post, I realise I actually have little experience that counts with this ship.

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[Mao]

We face heavy battleships but have a light bomber to do it with, that handles like a gunboat?

Not really sensible.

Nah, you face Vaches, Aurochs and other transports and freighters and you run when you see Battleships on your scanner. At least that's how it should be. The Jaguar is a fine ship for pirating. I had one.

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[aerelm]

Right, is there any particular reason this bomber has a SHF plant? with 3 guns 2 turrets foward its got less firepower than the bhg bomber. The ship faces heavy battleships, i think a heavy bomber plant such as the one the havok or such uses would be more appropriate.

Your argument is invalid on so many levels I can't even call it funny...

First and foremost, I suggest you get your facts straight because the Jaguar uses the same plant as every other light bomber, which means it basically has the same firepower as the BHG bomber.

Then, funny part of your argument is that you claim it sucks because it has Mafic powercore? Mind I remind you that the Mafic has larger powercore than light bombers, which means it would've had fired a SN faster than Roc if it had Mafic core.

Also, you're comparing it to the Havok and saying the Jaguar should have a "heavy" powercore like the Havok... While Havok also has a light bomber core which is the exact same one Jaguar uses.

Last but not least, in case you don't know... After Basilisk and the FA bomber, Jaguar and the Noir variation are the most agile bombers ingame, and in my opinion, having 5 forward firing guns in return for a larger profile actually gives it an advantage over the "Oh so OP" Mamoru.

In my personal opinion, Jaguar is also superior to Basilisk in practice. Because even though the Basilisk profits from higher agility and armor (And sexier model), yet Jaguar offers smaller profile and higher firepower - Which is what mostly counts in group fights, be it against Valors or not.

[Jansen]

Last but not least, in case you don't know... After Basilisk and the FA bomber, Jaguar and the Noir variation are the most agile bombers ingame, and in my opinion, having 5 forward firing guns in return for a larger profile actually gives it an advantage over the "Oh so OP" Mamoru.

You missed the Orchid, which is quite agile as well.

The Jaguar is one of those scary nearly VHF Bombers, what exactly are you complaining about?
The Brigand Bomber is good the way it is, it might take a bit longer if you have to kill Valors in it, but it generally takes long to kill Valors in anything. The Jaguar gives you the advantage of being hard to hit, for a slight power core sacrifice.
Brigands are pirates so they will hardly built ships capable of fighting heavy Battleships in top times. They will built ships that can do damage and run away as fast as possible if things get unhealthy.

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[Lunaphase]

Testing has proved otherwise on the "hard to hit" catagory. Brigands do not have any capital ships, meaning these bombers are all we have. Also, arguing we run when we see a valor is complete bull, considering lore wise brigands fought alongside council in war.

The bomber is horribly unsuited to its role.

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[Dusty Lens]

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CAPSHIP PILOT IS AUTHORITY ON BOMBERS

Skilled bomber pilots? Bit of an oxymoron given the state of how easy they are to fly.

In the words of those who fly bombers and dont want to work for their toys: "Deal with it". You want caps to sit there and take a pounding? Fine by me if the dev team balances things appropriately for their size. Till then, im gonna continue running from your unblockable light mortar fighters because thats the only chance to SURVIVE an encounter, even with a fighter escort.

Your missing the point. 1 on 3? yes, the battleship should have a very very hard time to win. However, currently the problem is the guns given to them to defend themselves cant do so, making them unable to do anything but flail around firing missles and mortars, and hope to heck a bomber eats a pair of them in short sucession.

the problem, is that even a 3 on 3 with 2 fighter escorts, the bs will still die. 3 escorts and bs, 3 bombers, the bs will die. anything less will die to 2 bombers or even 1.

The issue is not that battleships alone are at fault, the problem is the bomber is too omni potent, able to dogfight AND tear up anything but agile fighters.

THAT is the problem.

Snac out ranges anything in the "anti bomber" catagory. such allegations would make sense if they actually had to get in RANGE of anything meant to defend, but since they dont, makes them sort of useless, like br's are atm. Too much energy for too little effect. anything in razor range i can smack with a mortar anyway.

Bombers are currently light mortars with engines. They arent true bombers.

Until bombers gain an ammo using torpedo and manuvering equal to their damage output, they remain overpowered due to the fact that they are so well armored that they can survive pretty much anything short of another snac to the hull or managing to somehow eat a BS missle or mortar. (even a razor sometimes doesent do it since if it hits a weapon, no hull dmg, just weapon goes boom)

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CAPSHIP PILOT ACTUALLY FLIES A BOMBER

Right, is there any particular reason this bomber has a SHF plant? with 3 guns 2 turrets foward its got less firepower than the bhg bomber. The ship faces heavy battleships, i think a heavy bomber plant such as the one the havok or such uses would be more appropriate.

Note, im not asking for stat changes, im asking for the bomber to be just that. Fighting valors with shf plants on ships makes it take a LOOONG time.

Havoc
Power output 38,200 u
Power recharge 1,722 u/s

BH Bomber
Power output 38,200 u
Power recharge 1,722 u/s

Brigand Bomber
Power output 38,200 u
Power recharge 1,722 u/s

Welcome to the world of bombers.

[Silver]

:lol:

As a bomber whore i find this thread funny.
And not worthy of even wasting another second in it.

<3

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[RAL]

The bomber gods have cursed you.. Im afraid there is no hope.