Hybrid Q-Ships

[Govedo13]

You does not need to model anything- the old turret models could be used- especially type 3(ugly and not fitting the rest of the transp guns line that need replacement), same for shield /thruster cm etc.
It is also possible to make 2-3 new turret models- there are some people that could do it- if there is dev that takes the job to add those in game I have no problem to pay 500m per turret model if any credits are required for such thing, I guess others also would like to jump in.
Only balancing is required, also a bit of annoying work in defining all cap guns in their own class and adding new shield class that reflects it.
In general without Dev team approving and agreeing to do it there is no point to speculate with stats/models etc.

Pirating with cruiser is not different then pirating with GB anyway, the rule is fine,it was more then stupid also lawful cruisers not able to shoot p transps, or unlawful cruisers not be able to pirate, the change is there and it is even permanent- see the last admin announcement so giving the transps option to nerf their cargo space for better defence/offence is the next logical step.

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[Daedric]

Two items this week:

1. DHC- has been granted its Cap8 in accordance with Rule 4.8. It's been placed on DHC-Thsomething. Whatever the name was that Cris gave me.
   
2. The changes to rules 5.6, 6.6, and 6.7 made back in May:
   http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?...pic=125547
   http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?...pic=125802
   Are being moved out of trial status and into the permanent rule set. The world didn't implode, so we figure this'll work. Dev team will have to work on transport-capital balance to optimize the arrangement.
   

So say we all.

Note #2 there. Second to last sentence.

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[Ursus]

I'd like to see ship classes eliminated. Just buy an empty hull, either use it for cargo or buy a bigger engine and guns. Make your Bison a dessie a cargo ship or a dessie, your choice.

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[Jayce]

Yes.

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[Pavel]

Sorry I'm guilty Q.Q

But my statement still stands that trading should be risky. Taking care of pirates should be the job of the underactivitied police factions.

I'm pretty sure since caps can shoot transports it's navy's job, especially when unlawful faction releases its full might of capspam, which is no different than regular invasion from other house.


This rule will stay, the problem is how to rebalance transports now:

Are being moved out of trial status and into the permanent rule set. The world didn't implode, so we figure this'll work. Dev team will have to work on transport-capital balance to optimize the arrangement.
[/list]So say we all.[/color]

Something between strong cruiser hull strength - wise, and gbght cruiser armament wise to stop pirate cap long enough to buy some time for convoy would be nice. Obviously such thing should be available only to house corporations, and hunters maybe.
We already have prison liner, I don't see problem in little remodeling it, giving 2 times more armor, cruiser shield and mixed gb/cruiser turrets. Of course for price of cargo space nerf. This gonna be corporation auxiliary cruiser, not powertrader's dreamed ship. There are already people hauling ore in CAU 8 luxury liners.


EDIT: Ninja'd by Daedric.

[Miranda]

I'd like to see ship classes eliminated. Just buy an empty hull, either use it for cargo or buy a bigger engine and guns. Make your Bison a dessie a cargo ship or a dessie, your choice.

That does give me an idea. You could make more powerful transport guns that take up large amounts of cargo, simplest way to do all this.

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[Ursus]

That does give me an idea. You could make more powerful transport guns that take up large amounts of cargo, simplest way to do all this.

No that's not enough. You need engines that produce power levels, then when you go to larger guns and shields you also need to replace the engine, and that takes up cargo. You would also want to add or remove hull plating, etc.

Lets say you buy a Bison hull. It doesn't have an engine or anything, its just a shell with ~5000 cargo units (dead empty). You want to use as much as you can so you stick with some fighter guns and a freighter shield (max 24k shield), and stick a freighter engine in it, maybe the freighter engine only takes 50 cargo. Or you want a batteltrans, so you want gunboat guns and shield, you need a gunboat powercore that takes 1000 cargo. Or you want a destroyer, so you buy cruiser weapons and cruiser shield and cruiser powerplant that takes 3000 cargo. But you wont use an unarmored Bison, so you would need to add cruiser-class hull plating, which should suck up another bunch of cargo. Battleship? No can do, powerplant is 8k cargo, hull is 8k cargo, does not fit. Go buy battleship hull with 20k cargo for that one. Or go buy battleship hull and put a freighter powerplant on it and use 19k for cargo:laugh:

I've been looking at how feasible this would be and the big stumbling block right now is that the different classes all have different energy efficiency ratios. Transport guns and shields have completely different scales from other kinds of ships, just totally incompatible. There are a bunch of other issues too, but that is the major one. It would be cool though--I'd like to have a Praefect battletrans, 3000 cargo and gunboat weaps.

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Discovery 24/7 Negotiating Tactics:

[Steven.Hiller]

Goodbye everyone

I had it with people screwing other people over.

I had it with no one granting a stranger a bit of peace and joy.

I had it with always being done in.

You want me away so bad i give you what you want

i deleted all my chars. All my accounts

And tonight i delete myself from life hope the guilty ones sleep well

Sometimes you think lets do this guy in it will be fun you dont know

what they went through in life to you its just a game to some it was one last piece of hope

to try something new. where all else has failed

so if im so much hated in this world i give every one what they want

a world without me.

It was fun while it lasted had some good nights

take care.

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[Govedo13]

Well it is game, just does not jump from the bridge.

Anyway anyone that want to say something on topic? If some of the devs can give some input it would be more then nice.

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[Curios]

Goodbye everyone

I had it with people screwing other people over.

I had it with no one granting a stranger a bit of peace and joy.

I had it with always being done in.

You want me away so bad i give you what you want

i deleted all my chars. All my accounts

And tonight i delete myself from life hope the guilty ones sleep well

Sometimes you think lets do this guy in it will be fun you dont know

what they went through in life to you its just a game to some it was one last piece of hope

to try something new. where all else has failed

so if im so much hated in this world i give every one what they want

a world without me.

It was fun while it lasted had some good nights

take care.

LOL :lol:

I though emo music is off the trend, but..



Anyway any idea of buffing transports any more is stupid itself since those are transports.
I know it's a big urge to have good armored, good armed, fast, small ship with 50000 cargo to just chill and trade.

But space is dangerous ™

If the pirating caps is such an issue then do it on freighter.

Anyway no one had an issues with making cockbillions till now.

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