YEA!!! I love those ''Let's smash on the LSF'' tread that make me so happy and so joyful. Please keep up the good work!.
Our new faction status will be posted soon, we are just waiting for all of our members to post in the Roll Call. Once done we will post all the Info about the LSF.
For the moment our Contraband list is the same as the SA ( I think they had it posted somewhere)
Now LOCK this tread please there are no more reasons to post here
Instead of all this arguing Juan could just have posted in character about a corrupt police officer and demand refund of credits for his ship and pilots.... or send it to the faction leader first....or simply as on the forums just like Looter has. Beginning to write a violation report was a bit too much when it's such a grey area. But I can understand that you were angry Juan... just let it rest for a moment next time.
@Sniper...Don't take any and every comment/talk about the LSF as a personal attack on you. Most of these are meant as suggestions/comments. I think you take it too seriously as well.
On a side note it would be nice to make a pinned topic with the laws of all houses.... SF has it in the faction post, RM on own website, LSF will have it in the new faction post...I can consult the KNF one with Lotek. Any volunteer that would write it all down in one nice thread? (*looks at AC Merc*)
Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.
yes i know mjolnir, i am very defensive when it comes to this:), because i put soo much time into this faction.. i dont want to see it all go down in flames.
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I've just read through the whole thread, and I have to say I'm quite suprised at how Juan has reacted. I'm with the LSF on this one. I mean, he is a Junker no? Who else are Junkers? The Slavers Union. Bad things can happen to Junker's prisoners. In your next faction overveiw thing, just put all human cargo is contraband exept for passengers and ViPs. That would simplify allot of stuff. I also don't get why people flame the LSF, it's a great clan and mantains the law far better than most other groups would in the same loacation (other than maybe the RM, but they have martial law on their side:))
' Wrote:And what Spear says..
Now tell me people. Who shall I believe?
Pirate or not, if you have done the things above then you ARE to be shot. I wasn't there so could somebody please enlighten me with this guy's actions?
You asked whether you should believe Spear (who was playing an LSF officer) or me (playing Juan_Williams, a smuggler). Would you believe an Admin? Fellow Hoodlum just sanctioned =LSF=Fluid (another of Spear's characters) in the Admin Notice: Players Fined, =LSF=Fluid and USS-Titan thread. Pay particular attention to Hoodlum's second post where he makes a reference to "terrorists." Apparently, I'm not the only person who thinks that Spear's LSF characters have acted like terrorists.
I started playing Freelancer online in 2004. I've NEVER been sanctioned on this or any other server. In fact, I've served as an SP (Server Police) on at least four FL servers, including two Discovery servers. I'm a very honest person and I hate those who make false accusations with a passion. You, Kress, have basically accused me of being a liar. I can't say how I feel about you or Spear, because these forums prohibit flaming. I'm not currently playing the Discovery mod, because the 4.84 AI makes the mod unplayable for me (see the last two links in my signature for the details). If I never return to play on this server, the hostility I've seen in this thread will be one of the reasons for that decision.
' Wrote:Instead of all this arguing Juan could just have posted in character about a corrupt police officer and demand refund of credits for his ship and pilots...
The LSF has a thread for that purpose: LSF bureau of complains, //Whine here.... However, the subtitle ("//Whine here....") and contents of that thread did not inspire me with confidence that I had any chance of a fair resolution there. I had originally planned to post there, but decided that it would be a waste of my time and effort.
Quote:... or send it to the faction leader first...
As far as I'm concerned, sending a PM to the LSF leader would've been an even bigger waste of my time and effort.
Quote:...or simply as on the forums just like Looter has.
The LSF won't make any changes based on anything I post. Only sanctions by Admins might teach LSF the error of their ways.
Quote:Beginning to write a violation report was a bit too much when it's such a grey area.
No, it wasn't "a bit too much." Gray areas need to be clarified.
Quote:But I can understand that you were angry Juan... just let it rest for a moment next time.
Spear killed my character three weeks ago. I'm just as angry now as I was then. Letting it rest won't change anything.
Quote:@Sniper...Don't take any and every comment/talk about the LSF as a personal attack on you. Most of these are meant as suggestions/comments. I think you take it too seriously as well.
Actually, Sniper, feel free to take it as seriously as you want. =LSF=Liquid had no right to demand my BHG pilots. He and his friend in the gunboat fired a CD at me and killed me within ten seconds -- while I was trying to communicate with him (I somehow ended up on the wrong channel, but couldn't fix the problem before my ship was destroyed). =LSF=Liquid didn't fire any warning shots. Most pirates give a trader two or three chances before destroying the freighter/transport. =LSF=Liquid destroyed my armored transport very quickly. Those are the actions of a terrorist. Calling =LSF=Liquid a pirate is an insult to pirates, as most pirates have more of a sense of fair play than =LSF=Liquid. Spear used very weak RP to find a flimsy excuse to kill my character. If he wanted to RP, he would've given me a second or third chance to drop the pilots. Instead, he killed me very quickly, while I was stuck in a chat screen. Note that I never even returned fire. Spear is the sort of player that encourages other players to leave servers. In fact, I've left other servers, because of players like Spear.
Sniper, if you want to make Juan_Williams KOS, go right ahead. If I return to this server, Juan_Williams' top priority will be revenge against the LSF, especially =LSF=Liquid. While you're at it, Sniper, you could make all of my characters KOS. I'm sure that the fact that two of my characters have LPI tags won't stop you from finding another flimsy excuse to kill them. Since you're defending Spear, you've proven to me that you're just like him.
Quote:On a side note it would be nice to make a pinned topic with the laws of all houses.... SF has it in the faction post, RM on own website, LSF will have it in the new faction post...I can consult the KNF one with Lotek. Any volunteer that would write it all down in one nice thread? (*looks at AC Merc*)
' Wrote:I am authorised by Fleet Admiral Woolsey to bring you this announcement from the Bureau... Impersonation of a Police Officer; Defined as the impersonation of a law enforcement agent. Most commonly applied to those who carry LPI IFFs and/or IDs without membership of LPI. Penalty is 1,000,000 credits.
That would apply to two of my characters which have LPI tags, neither of which can afford a $1,000,000 fine for being too friendly with the LPI. This is beyond ridiculous.
This server used to be fun. This mod used to be fun. I'm not having fun anymore. I'm not finding much in terms of reasons to return.
If the AI doesn't kill me, overzealous LSF players do, then they get justified by hordes of supporters.
Boy, you better chill down on that. I have accused neither you nor anybody else with anything which was just an enquiry to learn the truth and insight of an event in which I wasn't even involved. Spear was sanctioned due to an event that is not concerned with your case. I am afraid trying to build up on that one wouldn't bode too well for you.
If you have anything to discuss about or complain you could always reach me via PM or Skype. Policing duties shouldn't be interpreted as a terrorizing activity. We need the common sense to solve the problems if there are any instead of just venting out like immature kids.
I would suggest people to be more calm with their replies from now on.
"As far as I'm concerned, sending a PM to the LSF leader would've been an even bigger waste of my time and effort."
You are wrong with this one. Pointing out to individuals would only cause flamings going on and we wouldn't have time to produce solutions. I am willing to listen to any kind of complaints via PM and Skype from now on.
That part of the Sirius Legal Codex is complete and utter rubbish. That's effectively saying it's against house rules to RP a police officer without joining the faction. Imagine if every house or faction did that? It'd effectively ruin the server. Disallowing people to RP what they want because you don't want them to is, in my opinion, completely wrong and should be either change immediatly or removed entirely.
Forgive me for going off topic, but.. that wasn't the original application of the law. The original one is to encourage people (independent LPI or otherwise) to get proper IDs and tags, in addition to reducing IFF confusion. We wouldn't fine anyone for having an honestly mislaid IFF unless they repeatedly refused to fix it (which is very easy to do).
However, while that wasn't the intent of the law, I personally think it makes more RP sense to join the LPI if you want to police. If an LPI isn't part of the LPI, who is he? The amount of "independent police/military/LSF" is bothering in an RP sense, because the LPI and LSF are intended to be the LPI and LSF, and I believe Liberty should take a RM-like "Who are you? Why are you claiming to be part of the Navy?", as I personally think it's an affront to our authority, but hey, that's just my own opinion. Has no bearing on the law itself.
I cann ot and will not justify the actions of the LSF, New York now has a LPI faction, that have nothing to do because the LSF have installed themselves as the police force of liberty, which they are not. The LSF is there to protect from outside influences within Liberty, not police the systems. The Navy is there to prevent invasions and to look big and imposing which they do very well. The LSFs roleplay is not the fault of sniper however, but that of it's individual members getting too damn big for their boots.
It has been said that the LSF are comparable to Britains MI6 or MI5 branches, heres' an example of how they work:
A fair few years ago, back during the troubles in Ireland. A former prominent memebr of the British Royal family retired to Southern Ireland. here he became a respected member of his community helped make life better for all who came into contact with him and his sunny dispostion. The IRA thought it would be a good idea to make an example of him and they had him killed, MI5 were less than impressed and demanded that the IRA hand over those responsible. The IRA unsurprisingly said no. MI5 siad, if you don't every member of your little 'army' will be dead by sunup, every safehouse will be levelled, we will burn your organisation and scatter it's ashes to the wind. The IRA said, come and have a go if you think you're hard enough, if you could do that you would.
MI5, not an organisation to make empty threats, phoned up IRA high command, who were shocked to say the least, and said, meet us in a field half an hour, bring as many as you want. The IRA and the MI5 met in a wet field, the MI5 agent handed over a dossier. The IRA representative went white and turned away. Two hours later the perpetrators were dumped outside of the nearest police station.
Subtle and with just the hint of overpowering aggresion.
Yes the LSF should be able to tear down the various criminal elements in Liberty, not a problem. But they won't, why, beacuse with them they can distract from all of the problems Liberty faces that aren't based around the Rouges, the Hackers and the Xenos. But when the LSF are left facing the work of the police force (when there are no LPI on duty), they should act like members of the police force, not some private army. The police force don't kill someone for not dropping BH, we ask politely, we explain why they shouldn't have them, we are at all times curteuos and respectful, even if you are distasteful Junker scum. Remember Liberty barely tolerates them means we still tolerate them whether or not there is a faction within them that are slavers
Saint Del is considered a holy healer of diseases of children, but also as a protector of cattle.
Good point Del. Only thing I don't agree is, considering Junkers as scum. They are just doing their jobs and staying away from picking up a side most of the time. And Liberty already have its problems with the various criminal activites and trafficking. LSF could overlook their policy and maybe reduce the doze of the current aggression while LPI would take up more responsibility in some cases. Sniper and LPI high command could both contact me via Skype. The efficiency of the current policies could be set down to reasonable limits placing everyone in their most appropriate and productive position.