Zoners

[SMGSterlin]

But they aren't unified. They're scattered and unlikely to unite because then they're just another house (basically the antithesis of the Zoners).

Then stop having them under one unified ID, IFF, and general rule set.

Divide them up, sorta like with the Junkers and Gallic Junkers, at least them they aren't AS unified on paper.

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[Crackpunch]

Then stop having them under one unified ID, IFF, and general rule set.

Divide them up, sorta like with the Junkers and Gallic Junkers, at least them they aren't AS unified on paper.

Look to the devs then.

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[n00bl3t]

You forget to take into the equation just exactly how Zoners are capable of building those ships, when other factions who want the same toys just as much and for the very same logical reasons cannot. You also forget that other regional powers would respond and react to this change in Zoner attitude. In the Zoner case it's all "npnp, move along nothing to see, lol".

There seems to be a recurring problem in Zoner players being to embedded with the faction, so they only see things from within; adhering to the intrinsic logic within Zoner lore. I.e. "we needed capital ships, so we built them", "infocards say that Zoners supply Corsairs, lore evolution dictates we now support the entire Empire 20 years later", "I'm a "free and independent Zoner" I'm not accountable for the diplomatic actions of other groups and players on the same ID, however I do enjoy sharing our highly varied lineup of capital warships that took no greater cooperation or unification to design, build and maintain" etc.

Zoner Capital Ships:

Guess what? This is not another Zonerzonerzoner post. Idiots will not know this, so we will preface with that to inform them.

I decided to think, and so I wondered. What did I wonder about? Zoner capital ships. You probably wondered about them too.

Recently, people who understand how to press the right click button of the mouse and hold it down for several seconds proposed that Zoners should not have capital ships. (It seems that Supernovas and Novas are too much of an imaginary fiscal expense in their lovely lives, which leads us to question how they have enough time to post on the forums, as opposed to do a few trade runs in this brilliant economy with ore.)

The arguments proposed were that Zoners did not have the resources, namely the credits or materials to produce capital ships. Another one proposed was that the time between Zoners having capital ships and not having them was too short. All other arguments proposed were the usual dribble of bias and so on. (If there are any others, please PM or Skype me and I will modify this post to include a counter for them.)

So, I looked forth from the bridge of my Rheinland Cruiser and it hit me. How did this ship get produced? Was Rheinland not on the brink of material ruin? Finance depleted, leader killed and all resources drained? In 17 years they got money, resources and a "leader". Amazing. How did they do so?

I do not truly know, but Rheinland is kind of fun the way it is now, ja?

I decided to move to the Omicrons and I got scared; mainly by the Outcasts, which are infinitely better than the Corsairs, and their collective, gargantuan amount of capital ships. The Outcasts and Corsairs both pirate, both trade, one in Cardamine and one in artifacts, and apart from that, one has food problems and the other has sex problems. Seventeen years ago the Sabre and Titan were the magnum opus in Sirius ship-building for these pirate factions. That was it. The end of the line.

I shrugged it off. They are fun. The Corsair capitals have horns and the OC Destroyer smiled at me, so I thought the whole thing was swell and I moved on.

I turned my head to the left and behold The Order came into sight, but barely, for they are a shadowy clandestine organisation. A clandestine organisation only recently formed with a full loadout of ships, including capital ships. I thought about it and I figure their agents covertly extracted funds out of whatever organisation they infiltrated, and that their former alliance with the Corsairs, another faction who also magically formed capitals, paid off well. That or their research allowed them to make a lot of ships quickly. Or certain alliances The Order made funded them quite well.

The quick flow of thoughts made me push it all away and concentrate on the issue at hand.

I squinted and looked at the Zoners. Centuries of trading. Endless and expensive resources in the edgeworlds area that they inhibit. No known intelligent enemies to hinder their growth. Roleplay which consists heavily of trading. An alliance with The Order and hence resources to higher order technology. An alliance with the GMG which results in lower fuel prices.

So, now I sat atop Tekagi's Arch, which was magically fixed after the explosion which would have taken out most of the interior, the expected raids by Blood Dragons and bombardment by the Kusari Naval Forces, and repopulated by Aoi Isejin which managed to sneak past the two aforementioned factions, as well as the GMG and agents of The Order.

While I was atop this Arch I reflected on why this was, that is, why certain factions have capital ships. I guess it is because capital ships make the game fun without altering too much, especially since they can easily be taken down by two or three bombers.

I also figure for those who are inclined to depress and hold the right-click button of the mouse, since other actions are a tad to complex for them, they need something else. That is something new to see and unleash the fury. I propose that the Whale and other 5k's got boring after a while and they wanted something new. After all, when all you have is the mouse, you need to see something new on the screen no?

Small errors with times and so on, since it was written 3 years ago, but the point stands. Start targeting others for the no-cap policy first.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Crackpunch]

You know what pays for a military? Taxes. I doubt Zoners pay tax.

Edit: There simply aren't Zoners saying "Sure, I'll pay for this warship to battle foes I have no quarrel with."

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[Eduard]

This whole Zoner thing could've been largely avoided if Zoners never got the power and ship line they got...

Trying to sell the Zoners as a peaceful and civilian-like people, but giving them more military power than some of the major houses? I mean come on, that makes as much sense (and I apologize for going against my own rule by using a real-life example for a Disco subject) as giving a small business a tank and fighter jet to defend their business.


Either go with the currently imposed role of the Zoners, as them being a group of peaceful and individual wanderers, and take away their big toys, bigger than a cruiser at least. Or turn them into what they currently are fitted and kitted to be, which is a paramilitary group that has it's own wars to fight, and the tools to do so.


Zoners currently have an identity crisis that needs to be fixed.

i dare say that even though some zoner factions spam nephs and do what a zoner should not do, there are other zoner factions which have solved this so called identity crisis and banned the use of nephs.

imo, the role of the neph is awfully misplaced. most zoners who use them, use them as warships which, as dead reckoning said, are not

(sent on phone)

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King Eduard is the greatest

[n00bl3t]

This whole Zoner thing could've been largely avoided if Zoners never got the power and ship line they got...

Trying to sell the Zoners as a peaceful and civilian-like people, but giving them more military power than some of the major houses? I mean come on, that makes as much sense (and I apologize for going against my own rule by using a real-life example for a Disco subject) as giving a small business a tank and fighter jet to defend their business.


Either go with the currently imposed role of the Zoners, as them being a group of peaceful and individual wanderers, and take away their big toys, bigger than a cruiser at least. Or turn them into what they currently are fitted and kitted to be, which is a paramilitary group that has it's own wars to fight, and the tools to do so.


Zoners currently have an identity crisis that needs to be fixed.

i dare say that even though some zoner factions spam nephs and do what a zoner should not do, there are other zoner factions which have solved this so called identity crisis and banned the use of nephs.

imo, the role of the neph is awfully misplaced. most zoners who use them, use them as warships which, as dead reckoning said, are not

(sent on phone)

They are warships.

They have the ability to colonise and be self-sustainable, but when push comes to shove, they are a juggernaut. The other knife, as it's infocard used to read.

Tremendous firepower, to be used as a last resort.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Alvin]

Tremendous firepower, to be used as a last resort.

Which sadly in most cases, especially the indies ... are used as first resort ...

Scenerio:: Qurrel in the region ?
Zoner Response: LINE UP THE NEPHS !

[Crackpunch]

They are warships.

Implying they're used for war.

They're just transports on a massive scale. Just as trade vessels upgrade their equipment from freighter shields to transport shields as they increase in class size, the Neph has appropriate defensive power for its size.

Edit: Does a gun make a man a soldier?

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[JIVA]

A man with a gun is a more dangerous man to aggro than a man without a gun. Your question reminds me on that one scene from "300". Spartans are Soldiers, the Greeks were artisans with weapons, a militia.
In history professional soldiers do indeed beat militia units, but we must not forget that many civil defense units were civilians armed with weapons; sometimes even with makeshift weapons.
The more sophisticated the weapon, the less you need to know about it. A man with a wooden spear may not be a much greater threat than an unarmed man, but a man with an automatic rifle most certainly is.
Pointing at someone and bending a finger is just so much easier than punching someone to death in melee.

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[Eduard]

They are warships.

They have the ability to colonise and be self-sustainable, but when push comes to shove, they are a juggernaut. The other knife, as it's infocard used to read.

Tremendous firepower, to be used as a last resort.

I honestly believe that even though they can maintain the role of a warship doesn't mean they have to be used for that.

Like you said, and I dare underline that, the role of a warship should be adopted as a last resort , a correct statement you just shared

If I stand to think, I believe that the problem actually is not the spam of nephilims, but how most of them are RPed, as, how vanalvo said, their "warship role" is thrown on the front line.

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King Eduard is the greatest