Zoners

[Crackpunch]

Oh and if you use vanilla as an excuse, in vanilla zoners stick to zoners only, zoners help other zoners, thats something that I don't see here, so quite the fake fiary tale. Using the lore only when it suits you is that your philosophy?.

Be like vanilla and ditch your capships. If Zoners were like vanilla Zoners, everyone would be happy (except for the few Überzoners).

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[Jose Benitez]

It doesn't get anymore stupid then that, Ive said that much like the pheonix, we have our own diplomacy, our own attitude and our own course of action, you have a problem with that? deal with it, pheonix are not zoners, osi are not zoners and TAZ are not ZONERS, now i'll go get some beer while you keep flaming.

Ah well, if you thought my earlier comments were stupid just consider how the rest of us see your words? The official Zoner factions are not Zoners........ Hmm... ok. If you say so.

As i said before you will not be treated as a Zoner if you do not behave like one. Simply saying you are a Zoner is not enough.

I have no problem with you behaving how you will and having your own diplomacy, and I am cheerfully "dealing with it" as you have so eloquently suggested I do. Just don't complain too loudly if people do not accept your version of a "Zoner" and decide to start shooting at you because your ingame actions result in ingame reactions that you don't like.

[Omicron]

No they are not plain zoners, thats not what I think, its what it is, zoners are not groups they are individual, so how can a group be a zoner?

In my personnal theory, Zoners are more like a tribe - onboard Freeport, everyone knows their place/caste.

much like faith to religion, its no longer personal but political with agendas, zoner haveno agenda.

Everyone has agenda. For Zoners most basic are to find safe home outside house space they can call their own, escaping colonial control, make said colony sustainable (I dont know how FP5 would ever accomplish that, but then again - some people in real life are building houses next to volcanos)

The includes omicron, with all of his fuzzy little gang of "Order" playing cops with no bounderies.

Still waiting for reason as to which Order should not interfere in Zoner matters, considering Order have done that to everyone else since its creation... houses do not approve of factions that operate on their own without their mandate or control. Thanks to simmilar reasons Order is unlawful in houses and has mostly approval of individuals and groups outside general government control - guess why?

Oh and if you use vanilla as an excuse, in vanilla zoners stick to zoners only, zoners help other zoners, thats something that I don't see here, so quite the fake fiary tale. Using the lore only when it suits you is that your philosophy?.

Hard for them to decide between neutrality and supporting suspicious gang of angry Zoners who from third person view act like headless chickens.

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[Anaximander]

pheonix are not zoners, osi are not zoners and TAZ are not ZONERS

Oh, quite the contrary. They all are, and approved by both the community and the administration.

That very much depends on which day you ask them.

[Sabru]

having only read the first page and pages 20 and 21,

i only have a vague idea of the argument occuring here.

i can see a few valid points from Tel Aviv, those mainly being the following:

- not all zoners being...... non-confrontational
- some zoners being aggressive (in varying levels)

My indie zoner character is not a really aggressive person, but he's not afraid to stand up for what he believes.

but, even to me, beyond a certain point aggressive zoners dont really seem to fit in to any zoner lore or idea.

but thats just my simple opinion.

tangentially,
maybe RP could be developed whereby something (an event possibly) happens that temporarily brings together all zoners.

it could be used to evolve both the zoners and their lore, and how their are perceived by others.

i bring note to these two sentences from the wiki entry for the Zoners:
"Things are still changing in Sirius of course. The competition for resources is continuing, and the Houses are engaged in power plays with each other"

just thinking out loud here,
but perhaps rogue elements of a house govt look to push the zoners from.... say baffin, for some reason or another.
Perhaps, they want to diminish or attempt to get rid of the zoners or something.

again, just thinking out loud here.

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[carlfatal]

Wow, i was rereading the whole thread....

My personal opinion to all of this: i think, it would be nice, if people would not ignore the whole disco lore. I mean, it is not easy to read all the stuff here, but it can help to understand things better.

To the capship question, what was the reason for opening this thread: i don´t need capships for RP, i don´t think, they increase the RP of a person. So i never had one and i don´t think, i will buy one soon.
If i need an Aquilon or a Neph, then it would only be for the fact, that there is space enough to build a swimming pool with a window to the open space. But till now i am absolute happy with the ships i have. *smiles*

And now i am waiting here with chips. As a one with Zoner papers, who isn´t a real Zoner...

[Crackpunch]

i can see a few valid points from Tel Aviv, those mainly being the following:

- not all zoners being...... non-confrontational
- some zoners being aggressive (in varying levels)

It's more like he's stating the obvious as if it strengthens his argument. If you go back a bit, you'll see he completely contradicts that statement by effectively saying 'all Zoners should be aggressive because they have different backgrounds.'
Take everything he says with a depot of salt.

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[Duvelske]

Sigh.. where to start.. it proves that many have NO real clue what zoners are about after reading the whole topic. Also i find it hilarious that people respond in here claiming they have a zoner char and are suddenly experts within its lore.. Hell i had chars like Xeno, but doesnt mean i fully understand its lore! Now with that said lets go on some more details about Zoners.. (May Eris be with me on this one)

Zoners are neutral, but it does not mean they are in the eyes of every faction neutral. See it as you meet someone inRL (yes for some hard to believe i guess, with no other life then disco.) But are you instantly friends when you meet someone? It can be a vague person as in an acquaintance. The question is how would that person look towards you? He can act neutrally because he you have something or can help that person with something he/she wants or needs. After that he/she could consider you hostile as you have served your purpose. Zoners are a small layer, an insignificant one to assist people. Like houses to smuggle goods trough enemy lines for example. But for this reason the neutrallity people see is a flaw. In a way Zoners could not even be escorts as they would risk their individual neutrality and of their so called TAG. Which is ooRP even, but people tend to use that. (thats for another topic if it ever comes)

Also a small example Zoners should assist their fellow Zoners. In good and bad times, have had several discussions with it but its just a mere fact. Without it Zoners would be wiped out of Sirius in no time and they might then go even inRP beyond the outskirts of Sirius as we know.

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[Zen_Mechanics]

i can see a few valid points from Tel Aviv, those mainly being the following:

- not all zoners being...... non-confrontational
- some zoners being aggressive (in varying levels)

It's more like he's stating the obvious as if it strengthens his argument. If you go back a bit, you'll see he completely contradicts that statement by effectively saying 'all Zoners should be aggressive because they have different backgrounds.'
Take everything he says with a depot of salt.

"All zoners should be aggressive"? and now you add lies? wait lemme contact the admins just to pinpoint where exactly I have stated that all zoners should be aggressive, what a laughing stock, go take a piss somewhere else.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[Knjaz]

<...>deal with it, pheonix are not zoners, osi are not zoners and TAZ are not ZONERS, now i'll go get some beer while you keep flaming.

I'd say, they aren't zoners in a way that they're a bit more organised than zoners usually would be. (TAZ and OSI, I dont know much about phoenix)

But I can guess you thought it's the other way around?

What's more easy is that zoners aren't civilians

They actually are. There's little to no difference between "Freelancer that decided to settle in omicrons/independant worlds far from the law of the Houses" and "zoner". No matter what that particular freelancer background is.