Discovery 4.87 Balance Discussion

[aerelm]

What exactly do you mean that the Wraith now has a shotgunable hull? Was the hitbox changed on it, or are you just referring to the change in armor points?

Just referring to the change in armor points.

Cupholder being changed, or LSC?

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[Thyrzul]

Touketsu, Civilian Bomber, now has a set of stats similar to the 4.86 Roc.
For those who may think Renzu line lacks a very heavy fighter now - Stinger/Wasupu.

Will the Wasupu get a new model then, to fit the Renzu line already?

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[aerelm]

A new model was already submitted by Jinx, but as it was done past the submission deadline it won't be making it into the initial release. It'll have to wait for update 2 or so.

[belarusich]

A new model was already submitted by Jinx, but as it was done past the submission deadline it won't be making it into the initial release. It'll have to wait for update 2 or so.

Where can we see it? I am often fly Wasupu and i want to see what you will do with it...

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[JIVA]

can t remember having submitted a touketsu model - i have submitted a virage model though

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[Knjaz]

Bomber Balance:

Fafnir, Rheinland Bomber, now has 2 guns and 2 turrets firing forward.
Its handling, hull and powercore is also adjusted to turn it into a regular heavy bomber.

Next on the list: Bombers

Was it's size/model also adjusted to the level of regular heavy bomber?


P.S. On behalf of other people - would SHFs get ability to mount cloaks? It would make them a bit more useful in group fights.

[Thyrzul]

can t remember having submitted a touketsu model - i have submitted a virage model though

The current Touketsu is yours, we were talking about a Wasupu possibly fitting the line, hopefully also from you.

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[aerelm]

Was it's size/model also adjusted to the level of regular heavy bomber?

Nope.

P.S. On behalf of other people - would SHFs get ability to mount cloaks? It would make them a bit more useful in group fights.

P.S. They're not getting cloaks. They're each getting a better aspect in their own specialized field instead.

[Mercarryn]

http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread...pid1356896

Well, I'd like to know what is the reason for the Mjolnir being changed? Especially the ability to use a SNAC was something that made it at least a bit useful.
Now it gets a 400 speed buff and the ability to use 2 mini razors...At the expense of loosing the ability to mount a CD and a Snac.
Getting rid of the TZ, well, understandable, but on the other hand it made the mjolnir quite balanced to my mind:
Excellent in 1vs1, easy target in group fights due to its SHF size.

So, it would really help me and the RFP| to understand the reason for the changes. Because right now, it makes the Mjolnir even less useful

[aerelm]

Removing bomber torpedoes is more of a general change applied to dual torp SHFs, and is not specific to Mjolnir. It's simply because the combination of fighter guns, bomber torp and a cruise disruptor was too effective and that's why SHFs with a single slot keep their bomber torp mount, and those with dual slots will be limited to fighter torps, also, if you're concerned about group fights, dual razor is actually more effective in insta-killing snubs than a SN on SHF core.

Also as stated above, SHFs are getting "specialized" bonuses based on their main role. Where Junker SHF, for example, has its mining bonus and larger cargo, Mjolnir gets its 400ms cruise speed and its role as an interceptor. It was also a problem with Rheinland gear as a whole, with each of their snubcraft trying to be an all-around ship but failing. Now each ship has an specific role like rest of the standard shiplines, and even though each ship keeps a single perk (Phantom's new setup, Mjolnir's cruise speed, Bergelmir's 5 forward guns and Fafnir finally becoming a proper heavy bomber) the whole shipline will get some use, instead of a single ship struggling to fill in the role of multiple ships while either not being good in any of the roles or too good in some of them.

However, I understand that these certain SHFs might suffer from this change and turn out to be underpowered, but if that happens an alternative will be worked out. From the looks of things, though, RFP's gonna be fine with all its new toys.