Discovery 4.87 Balance Discussion

[belarusich]

Removing bomber torpedoes is more of a general change applied to dual torp SHFs, and is not specific to Mjolnir. It's simply because the combination of fighter guns, bomber torp and a cruise disruptor was too effective and that's why SHFs with a single slot keep their bomber torp mount, and those with dual slots will be limited to fighter torps, also, if you're concerned about group fights, dual razor is actually more effective in insta-killing snubs than a SN on SHF core.

Also as stated above, SHFs are getting "specialized" bonuses based on their main role. Where Junker SHF, for example, has its mining bonus and larger cargo, Mjolnir gets its 400ms cruise speed and its role as an interceptor. It was also a problem with Rheinland gear as a whole, with each of their snubcraft trying to be an all-around ship but failing. Now each ship has an specific role like rest of the standard shiplines, and even though each ship keeps a single perk (Phantom's new setup, Mjolnir's cruise speed, Bergelmir's 5 forward guns and Fafnir finally becoming a proper heavy bomber) the whole shipline will get some use, instead of a single ship struggling to fill in the role of multiple ships while not being good in any of them.

However, I understand that these certain SHFs might suffer from this change and turn out to be underpowered, but if that happens an alternative will be worked out. From the looks of things, though, RFP's gonna be fine with all its new toys.

Double razor will oneshot few bombers and VHFs only. But yes, much less energy now.

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[belarusich]

And... Will Odin be balanced?..

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[aerelm]

Will Odin be balanced?

It already is.

However, if you feel any ship's balance would need a rework, feel free to post a thread in this subforum, including your reasoning and also discussing it with the community. It certainly will be looked into if the provided reasons and the general community opinion leans toward a rebalance.

[Thyrzul]

X-Shuttle, Civilian Freighter, adjusted to its new model.
4 guns, 4 turrets. All guns forward, 1 turret with 360 arc, 2 turrets backward only and 2 turrets backwards and sideways.

Am I bad at maths, or...?

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[Sabru]

X-Shuttle, Civilian Freighter, adjusted to its new model.
4 guns, 4 turrets. All guns forward, 1 turret with 360 arc, 2 turrets backward only and 2 turrets backwards and sideways.

Am I bad at maths, or...?

in this case no, but then you could still be bad at maths and have noticed the mistake.

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[aerelm]

Am I bad at maths, or...?

Or I just make typos. Lots of them.

Fixed now, it was supposed to say 4 guns 5 turrets.

[Jansen]

General Balance:

Snubcrafts, meaning LFs, HFs, VHFs, SHFs and bombers, can no longer use turret zoom.
These ship classes can still steer, but the zoom feature will only be limited to freighters and above

Next on the list: Freighters

Why dont you include Gunboats here as well? They do not need Zoom and I still think that it ruins balance quite badly if they can use it. They will be a pain to deal with, regardless of how much you nerf their turrets.

Freighter Balance:

Humpback, Rheinland Freighter, now has Cl2 turret mounts.
The general balance of the ship and arc of the turrets is left untouched.

Next on the list: Freighters

Now just give it a CD slot

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[aerelm]

Now just give it a CD slot

It already has one.

[belarusich]

General Balance:

Snubcrafts, meaning LFs, HFs, VHFs, SHFs and bombers, can no longer use turret zoom.
These ship classes can still steer, but the zoom feature will only be limited to freighters and above

Next on the list: Freighters

Why dont you include Gunboats here as well? They do not need Zoom and I still think that it ruins balance quite badly if they can use it. They will be a pain to deal with, regardless of how much you nerf their turrets.

Freighter Balance:

Humpback, Rheinland Freighter, now has Cl2 turret mounts.
The general balance of the ship and arc of the turrets is left untouched.

Next on the list: Freighters

Now just give it a CD slot

Gunboats need zoom, since they are fighting in Turret Steer.

And i didnt find anything about Odin Did you touch it in 4.87 or left like it is now?

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[aerelm]

Did you touch it in 4.87 or left like it is now?

It's left as-is.