That was just to show you that an ex-hogosha faction was allied to the KNF.
Since you are using mixed NPC/PC factions in your diplomacy, it doesn't make sense for the Hogosha to be neutral.
I fail to see such a big hassle about this?
Quote:Is your signature correct? If it is, you are not involved in Kusari politics, and then... you still claim to know 'everything'?
I am. I have more then one Hogosha character. My signature has nothing to do with my knowledge.
So, yes, I do claim that.
If you explain in plain words why is Hogosha neutral, I might change my mind.
Quote:You might want to check the faction status instead of the quick-ref, too.
Ehm..
Quote:FRIENDLY:
-Temporary Autonomous Zoners [TAZ] or [~V~] -The Black Dragon Society -{BD}-
-Artisan Farmers Alliance [AFA]
-Agnus.Dei|
So, it still makes sense to you?
Lotek,
I have nothing against KNF diplomacy. I'm just using your diplomacy to prove a point here.
I know about AFA and KNF relations, and it's okay.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
The Hogosha are neutral, because there can be no open cooperation between Hogosha and KSP without KSP losing face. Furthermore, the KSP needs to be able to arrest a Hogosha hatchet man or indiscreet smuggler every now and then. [RP]That the KNF is friendly to the Hogosha is just another proof that the KSP is needed to keep track of them both[/RP]
The AFA are friendly, both because they have proven they are prepared to defend Kusari against our external enemies, because they keep gaijin criminals at bay, and because they don't cause us or any Kusari citizen any trouble. [RP]Some of their more reactionary elements are openly violent against gaijin traders. We need to limit that, but the AFA members has ten times the honor and loyalty of any gaijin trader.[/RP]
We could move the AFA to neutral, I suppose. There have already been... misunderstandings, so the arguments for Hogosha may fit for AFA. What is the AFA:s view of this?
John Johnson - Master of Synth.Foods-Convoy|049
Hans Adler - Synth Foods escort wing
Well, your arguments stand for the Hogosha as well.
Hogosha did defend the Kusari not only from strangers, but from Brettonians as well.
I know it says in the Hogosha infocard about KSP arresting some low level Hogosha smugglers..
But, that's intentional. If you accidentally arrested a big shot, he'd be free in 24h.
About FA and KSP.. How can you be officially friendly when it says in their infocard that Samura uses them for attacks on Kishiro as well?
It's the same as with Hogosha. And they should be on the same place at least.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
Quote:Arrests of low-level Hogosha operators who flaunt their activities are frequent and help keep up appearances -- very important in Kusari.
Yes, you are right. But my point about arresting 'big-shot' stands.
And here is why :
Quote:Their political connections would make any serious attempt to dismantle them an embarrassment to Kusari as any number of secrets and deals that had been kept out of the public eye came to light.
It's safer for both to just leave them alone.
But that's a bit off-topic.
Thanks for listening to my suggestions.
Two thumbs up now.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
Continuing off-topic, since it is of interest to the KSP faction and it's work.
' Wrote:Yes, you are right. But my point about arresting 'big-shot' stands.
And here is why :
Quote:Their political connections would make any serious attempt to dismantle them an embarrassment to Kusari as any number of secrets and deals that had been kept out of the public eye came to light.
Well - the way I see it, the Hogosha are mapped more on the Yakuza, than on the Mafia. So they would be back out as soon as the KSP dropped them of to ministry of justice - but the KSP would still arrest them, and it would be most impolite of the boss in question to make it personal. It would also make lots of problems for their political allies. So, if a Hogosha is stupid enough to get arrested, he'll be expected to go quietly, knowing full well that he'll be out about a minute after the KSP left him out of sight. And the KSP will still arrest him, both because it is their duty (and the KSP are, at least in some rumors, painted to be the least corrupt and most honorable of the Kusari institutions), and because it sends the message to Hogosha that they will be left alone as long as they are discreet and don't break the status quo.
Is there a way to extract rumors and infocards from FL? That'd be neat to try to make sense of things.
John Johnson - Master of Synth.Foods-Convoy|049
Hans Adler - Synth Foods escort wing
Yes, but that's why I said big-shot. There's no way for you to arrest a big-shot on accident, by meeting him in space with tons of Artifacts.
Why? Because he won't do that. He's in his fancy office controlling the business.
You need to investigate that whole organization and collect evidences.
And that's something KSP/KNF will never do. So they will keep arresting low-level Hogosha members instead.
So, in order to actually arrest someone important, you would need to start a war with Hogosha.
And they wouldn't like that.
Yes, I am exctracting infocards and history from FLstat.
Just find a base and read it's infocard.
For example, to find a story about Hogosha you need to read about Kabukicho depot.
Kagoshima for FA, Kyoto for Blood Dragons etc.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
I just had a bit of RP discussion with one of KSP officers.
He told me to drop GMG pilots, which I did. Then he said that it's forbidden to have those pilots, because GMG are friends to Kusari.
Now, I can't find GMG in your diplomacy, but..
GMG is an enemy of Hogosha.
GMG is an enemy of Rheinland which is a friend of Kusari.
GMG is allied with Kishiro, but because of that hated by Samura - which controls KSP and KNF.
Now, how come Hogosha, which helps defending Kusari and anything that needs to be done, can be neutral, but GMG, which is shipping fuel to Brettonia (and trough Kyushu > Tau-31 > Leeds, I'm amazed KSP didn't notice this) is friendly?
Just to add to suggestions, nothing more.
I'm still all for it, don't get me wrong, I'd just like you to sort these minor thingies.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
Sorry folks, got here late for this one. I think the major point to make clear here is how the Britonian-Kusari war has changed things. As I see it (and the way I am doing the RP for AFA) is that hogosha and FA are loyal Kusari citizens, and in the face of a war, they would fall more in line with KNF. Because of this AFA has decided that external threats are much more important right now. It is up the the AFA as loyal Kusari to fight off the foreign enemies right along side KNF and KSP. As for the info cards, I am moving alittle away from them for the AFA rp right now. We are not attacking Kishiro, as I belive Gaijin enemies are much more important right now. So you wont find AFA attacking any Kusari, with the exception of GC and Dragons. As for GMG this is a more complex issue. The fact that they support the dragons should put them at least neutral, and if they are shipping to Britonia, I would think unfreindly. Just rememebr, the info cards were written to have taken place what, 15 years ago? We have to allow that things have changed, just look at the outcast/mollies/Britonian relasionship, if you looked stricktly at the info cards and NPC actions, this would make no sense, but if you look at the disco universe as dynamic, and changing, it would be silly to keep looking at things in exactly the same way.
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