A deliberation on player-driven RP and dev/admin intervention

[Enkidu]

Well, of course you'd try to say something clever, but the execution of what happened back then was dumb. Making on-spot lore and forcing it for some weird reason on TAZ, OSI and IRG while Cael and Jack on indies and Shiz on his cringy Order-Zoner-40k-Marines faction attempt were literally going nuts in Delta pretending they represent FP11 with some secret skype lobby FP11 chat was a pretty bad and disgraceful move and I'd like to slap them every single time they start warmongering on IDs they never play otherwise. As I said, I don't make IMG indies and start shooting Gallia either.

Things would be less bad if they would have had the decency to finish what they started, but after like six months, while negotiations are about to get a peace treaty running, is even worse.

I said I wasn't taking a dig. I don't believe in the whole my-RP-your-RP thing. You make great stories.

[Impyness]

Honestly out of the entire Delta fiasco my biggest issue was the whole Nauru insurgency, where a bunch of Zoners suddenly popped up on the planet after Core took it over with no prior roleplay about them existing.

Regarding the Bering FP, I think from a lore perspective having a straight up pirate base on the lanes is a bit much. Presumably even if lawfuls dont have much interest in the system it wouldn't be particularly hard to get the forces together to do something about it with a working gate and lanes since the logistics would be much easier.

From a gameplay perspective a pirate base /somewhere/ in Bering is honestly fine, though given the lore of the system I'd think a re-pressurized cruiser or battlecruiser in a field somewhere would make more sense while still having a place lawfuls can dock in the system.

[Thunderer]

When will players learn that doing role-play is not meant to have any other goal than that precise role-play itself? Was this not the case, then the quality of role-play would suffer because the goal it would be used to achieve would be more important.

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[Backo]

When will players learn that doing role-play is not meant to have any other goal than that precise role-play itself? Was this not the case, then the quality of role-play would suffer because the goal it would be used to achieve would be more important.

But role-play in which nothing you do even matters can be just as bad. Nothing really matters can be just as bad as everything matters.

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[Shiki]

Interesting what I get accused of... in the FP11 roleplay part.
Whatever you are saying there, Sombra, I think you got quite a few bits of pieces wrong there.
But I am not masochistic enough to go over every part that is wrong there, so... bye thread.

Oh, shame that you have left before I've mentioned what's going on in this thread.

But yeah, what Sombra said, there's a huge differance in mentality between people who actually play zoners day by day and people like @Shizune or @Jack_Henderson who were logging exclusively to RP Zoner marines.

First part of the drama I was on the Zoner side and having imagination on how it worked. I personally like Zoners and now we have very nice ongoing RP with the Zoner officials, potentially CoF as the whole. My take on it is try to propose the solutions that will give Zoners more opportunities to actually do interesting Zoner stuff in Omicrons and will lay along with the Core lore at the same time.

Zoner mobile carrier group? I am honestly not sure if people who support that have actually read at least... basic Zoner NPC faction infocard.

The Zoners are a diverse group of individuals who, for various reasons, have decided to live in the wild and unregulated systems outside of House control. Over time, the various Zoner communities have evolved to adapt to the unique geopolitical situations present around the various Freeports. While many Zoners simply enjoy the freedom away from stifling House laws, others have intvested in private deep space exploration ventures, either for the adventure or to further an interest in deregulated scientific discovery.

This whole conflict was worth it just to show conflict of the Core and Zoner ideology that would naturally appear. But this is not about Zoners showing them being more fanatic, brutal, totaletarian and powerful than the Core.

I mean Core is having no issues dealing with AU8 Zoner caps mainly piloted by people who can't TS. But then again, Zoner have unique lore and gameplay. And RP of the people who are able to reach compromise in any sort of political situation around them. To find their banifits while making this compromise. But honestly, what's so unique in rolling on the Core with caps even? Pretty much ALL native Omicron factions can do that.

Speaking of FR5s, there was an idea long time ago to set up the local Zoner IFFs. At least by the regions (Tau Zoners, Omega Zoners etc.) that would reflect specific local relationships. But I don't feel like that's necessary.

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[Stoner_Steve]

While this thread has taken a weird turn complaining about Freeport 11 I'd like to get us focused back on Freeport 2

I'd like to point out that Belfast Production Facility is a "pirate" controlled base. Which is located along trade lanes, which hasn't been taken by over by lawful forces. While I fully expect the "Well Liberty has the ability to deal with it" argument and the "Well Mollies aren't Independent Pirates" argument the end result is the same, Belfast was a lawful base, now its an unlawful one, Freeport 2 was a quasi-lawful base, now its an unlawful one.

[SnakThree]

While this thread has taken a weird turn complaining about Freeport 11 I'd like to get us focused back on Freeport 2

I'd like to point out that Belfast Production Facility is a "pirate" controlled base. Which is located along trade lanes, which hasn't been taken by over by lawful forces. While I fully expect the "Well Liberty has the ability to deal with it" argument and the "Well Mollies aren't Independent Pirates" argument the end result is the same, Belfast was a lawful base, now its an unlawful one, Freeport 2 was a quasi-lawful base, now its an unlawful one.

Belfast was Molly base for a very very long time.

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[Stoner_Steve]

While this thread has taken a weird turn complaining about Freeport 11 I'd like to get us focused back on Freeport 2

I'd like to point out that Belfast Production Facility is a "pirate" controlled base. Which is located along trade lanes, which hasn't been taken by over by lawful forces. While I fully expect the "Well Liberty has the ability to deal with it" argument and the "Well Mollies aren't Independent Pirates" argument the end result is the same, Belfast was a lawful base, now its an unlawful one, Freeport 2 was a quasi-lawful base, now its an unlawful one.

Belfast was Molly base for a very very long time.

Yes, and name changes used to be needed to be posted on the forum, Battleships needed to be registered and nothing should change ever

[SnakThree]

While this thread has taken a weird turn complaining about Freeport 11 I'd like to get us focused back on Freeport 2

I'd like to point out that Belfast Production Facility is a "pirate" controlled base. Which is located along trade lanes, which hasn't been taken by over by lawful forces. While I fully expect the "Well Liberty has the ability to deal with it" argument and the "Well Mollies aren't Independent Pirates" argument the end result is the same, Belfast was a lawful base, now its an unlawful one, Freeport 2 was a quasi-lawful base, now its an unlawful one.

Belfast was Molly base for a very very long time.

Yes, and name changes used to be needed to be posted on the forum, Battleships needed to be registered and nothing should change ever

Did you just compare changing gameplay and lore elements to changing rules? Holy damn, that's so off the point.

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[Nodoka Hanamura]

It won't get stolen again, it's a fully functional gate.

Just turn it off and let Bering rot rather than trying to plant a flag in a sewer.

The first one shouldn't have been stolen either, but, y'know, whatever.

Besides, I'm pretty sure if we actually tried to shut off the gate, we'd get told no because it would ruin Freeport 2 as an unlawful hub : ^)

Bering has great jump hole connections.

Literally this - The only thing killing the gates would do is just make it more dead to lawfuls than it already is - anyone who, in-rp, would fly through Bering with anything worth of value is insane.

Yes, the FP11 event was nice, everyone had fun, and then everything turned silent, the people who started it never logged their Zoners again and now that Spazzy mentions one thing about it, they are like "Hell yeah!" again. Nobody questions that it brought activity, for a certain amount of time, but since that Delta has been dead, no Nephs have been sitting on FP11 and so on. Almost nobody cared about Casualty's rebuild project, it took months.

The FR5 for OSI, TAZ and IRG shouldn't ever have been a thing - that could have been limited to the actual people who started begging for war and then never logged for it again.

I beg to differ on how FP11/Delta has been dead. Although I've come back only recently, not only have I been going in and out of FP11 numerous times, but I've seen a few players come and go too. More activity here would be nice, but I won't complain any further on that.

When will players learn that doing role-play is not meant to have any other goal than that precise role-play itself? Was this not the case, then the quality of role-play would suffer because the goal it would be used to achieve would be more important.

But role-play in which nothing you do even matters can be just as bad. Nothing really matters can be just as bad as everything matters.

This.

While this thread has taken a weird turn complaining about Freeport 11 I'd like to get us focused back on Freeport 2

I'd like to point out that Belfast Production Facility is a "pirate" controlled base. Which is located along trade lanes, which hasn't been taken by over by lawful forces. While I fully expect the "Well Liberty has the ability to deal with it" argument and the "Well Mollies aren't Independent Pirates" argument the end result is the same, Belfast was a lawful base, now its an unlawful one, Freeport 2 was a quasi-lawful base, now its an unlawful one.

It was about complaining about FP11 to begin with, from the looks of it. To be completely honest, when it comes to disco from my point of view, if people aren't fighting Gallia or taking a #2 on their proverbial porch, It's something involving the Nomads/Order/Core/Zoners, and that involves the omicrons. I play a Borderline Zoner/Freelancer, and my character treats FP11 as her home - and yes, you can say I have bias, and I admit that I do. but from what I've seen there's not much interest on Rheinland/Liberty squabbles and what not - and that's honestly sad, because I would find that interesting to see.

While this thread has taken a weird turn complaining about Freeport 11 I'd like to get us focused back on Freeport 2

I'd like to point out that Belfast Production Facility is a "pirate" controlled base. Which is located along trade lanes, which hasn't been taken by over by lawful forces. While I fully expect the "Well Liberty has the ability to deal with it" argument and the "Well Mollies aren't Independent Pirates" argument the end result is the same, Belfast was a lawful base, now its an unlawful one, Freeport 2 was a quasi-lawful base, now its an unlawful one.

Belfast was Molly base for a very very long time.

Yes, and name changes used to be needed to be posted on the forum, Battleships needed to be registered and nothing should change ever

Did you just compare changing gameplay and lore elements to changing rules? Holy damn, that's so off the point.

Exactly. Roleplay is not meant to be static - especially roleplays like these which have spanned nearly, if not over - a decade. To paraphrase the subtitle of the final mission of Ace Combat 6 - Chandelier:

To all things, an end must come.

In 5 years time, the Gallic Crown may either be long gone, or have usurped Bretonia whole. Freeport 11 may stand or be turned to ash. Bering may be closed off and left to rot by the lawfuls, or it'll be liberated and unlawfuls purged (to an extent) by the Liberty or Rheinland Navies.

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