Member banned, faction warned, faction un-officialed, members warned: Wesker & Co

[Shiki]

Welp, Wesker is not a member of the Core| for months, but a lot of our shareds got hit. Big thanks to HC member @Implosion for making up this list.

Core|WV-Decimari, Core|WV-Victoria, Core|WV-Draco.MK2, Core|WV-Damocles, Core|AV-Bulldog, Core|Bank.1, Core|WV-Athena, Core|WV-Herschel

Was posted in here https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthrea...pid1937146 , but there's no need to move them.

See response in your other Post - St.Denis

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[Thyrzul]

The following locked Faction Shared ships of The Council were also caught in the ban:

[C]-CLN-Courageuse
[C]-CLN-Puissante
[C]-CLN-Taquine

I'd like to request unbanning these ships so we can continue using them.

Done.
Please move them off the associated accounts.

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[Antonio]

While I agree with the warning, a warning is all it should've been for Wesker and RHA as well. The platform "exploit" has been in the game for years and is as widely spread as the "EK exploit", yet not only do you ban a member but you also strip a faction of officialdom based on that 1 encouter solely, disregarding all they've done apart from that encounter and their overall contribution to the server in the past 5+ years as I struggle to find any sanctions involving RHA or Wesker in the past 6 months.

Not only that, everyone and their mother uses the "exploit" in every siege ever, so how come there were no sanctions registered in regards to the bug if it really exists for such a long time? How about we go back and permaban every faction leader and strip his/her faction from officialdom if they ever participated in a POB siege? Willingly or not, it's been used in at least 95% of all sieges in the entirety of disco, but no, we'll rather only ban Wesker as an example instead because we finally got a reason, no matter how questionable and shaky it is, to do it. Finally, one problem less for us, we're such a good team! Pathetic.

tl;dr Warning accepted, Wesker and RHA's punishment unwarranted.

[Zayne Carrick]

Looks like I've missed all the fun.
I really wanted to make a post, but it seems Antonio already did it for me. Still, I have to make the points again.

Every siege that happened since the introduction of PoBs bugged them in one way or another. First it was shooting the guns off the platforms, when it became impossible - just bugging them.
If that's no longer tolerable by administration, the warning is most appropriate course of action. If that wasn't tolerable from the beginning, where're other sanctions? Other faction leaders banned, other factions stripped from their officialdom?

We've endured everything for 10 years. Congratulations on ending that.

[Karst]

Feel free to send us a list - St.Denis

Unfortunately, I doubt that will help much, as the ships are untagged, unprotected miners that I share with many people.
I know we're supposed to "be careful who we share ships with", but that advice really is useless since unless somebody is obviously cheating or the likes, there's really no way to predict who will be banned.
I think not sharing ships with anyone, which seems to be the only way to really protect them, is not a desirable solution, as ship-sharing is the basis of much cooperative action.

If you do want to unban the two accounts affected despite them not being "protected" shareds, a shipname on each would be Sunday.Roast and Freischwein.

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[Durandal]

Just about everything shared with an [HF] tag is banned. If we could communicate on Skype about it, it'd be a shorter list of what to exclude when unbanning everything else.

Done.

[Durandal]

As expected, shared [HF] snubs are still banned. Just give me the list of banned ships and I'll tell you which ones are personals.

Information sent - St.Denis

[Thunderer]

I shared two battleships with Wesker, the <AG]VR-Tonnant and the CNS-Bahama. That was about 2 years ago. I needed to share him these battleships because I trained him to fight them in a Dunkirk. He used them occasionally, but after he had bought his own Valor, about a year or more ago, he stopped using the Tonnant, and when he started leading the [RHA], he stopped using the Bahama. I also moved either the Bahama or the Tonnant, I can't remember, to another account once, either because of /renameme or it was connected with @Titan*'s sanction (who I also shared them with). I was convinced that Wesker no longer accessed these accounts, and I was a little surprised to find them banned. I knew that they were not locked and I have been informed by an admin what happened to shared ships that were not locked, so I took no action until now, because a few minutes ago a person advised me to do this. These ships used to be essential for training, and that was the main purpose of their sharing. Two years ago, when I shared them with Wesker, I had no idea he would be banned now, and I could not lock them anyways, because only official faction ships could be locked. It is not the ships themselves that are worthy to me, it is their history. These two have existed for many years, and have a vibrant history, especially the Tonnant. But, if they stay banned for 6 months, they will be deleted and their history discontinued. I was planning to do an SRP on the Tonnant before this, but it would not make sense on a ship without history, so I will either have to wait for a very long time, or quit my plan.

Can nothing be done?


If a ship was moved to another account after it was last shared, it should not have showed up to have associations. We can delete the ships in question so you can remake them with the same name.

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[Karst]

If you do want to unban the two accounts affected despite them not being "protected" shareds, a shipname on each would be Sunday.Roast and Freischwein.

If they won't be unbanned anyway, I would ask you to at least delete all the ships on these two accounts, as I wish to reuse some of their names. Thank you.

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[Thunderer]

@admin: "If a ship was moved to another account after it was last shared, it should not have showed up to have associations. We can delete the ships in question so you can remake them with the same name."

No need to, but thanks for answering. I have heard stories of the auto-delete not doing its job after 6 months, so I will wait instead. The Tonnant was tagged, so it will be easy for me to make an untagged ship of the same name, while concerning the Bahama, I was intending to change its name anyways.

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