...yeah, I think we're misinterpreting this a bit...it looks to me like this has gone long beyond the point of a civilized debate, which is what he's pointing out.
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This thread is out of controll. I have been thinking about it. AW really doesn't need any changes, we can fit our differences into how we play the game on the server.
I have contributed enough to this chaos. I say, not only close this debate for good, but delete it entirely.
Now excuse me as I submerge myself in ice water for a good 2 minutes.
This was once about zoners, but it turned into AW and Dab bashing. No, that is not what this forum is about. I am as much to blame as anyone and in most cases should keep my overly loud mouth shut.
I say again, tuck this accursed thread away where noone can see it. Send it into oblivion. It has done more harm than anything.
Let me just say that I am a grade A Muffinhead. I thought I could discuss something this important with maturity. Well, so much for that then.
........Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;..........But when the blast of war blows in our ears,.....
........Or close the wall up with our English dead...........................Then imitate the action of the tiger;.................
........In peace there's nothing so becomes a man........................Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,.........
........As modest stillness and humility:........................................Disguise fair nature with hard-favour'd rage!....
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"Oh come on, slow and steady doesn't win any races, fast and steady does."
I don't think this issue should be let rest. A resolution needs to be reached or it is just going to come back up in the future.. I guarantee it. That's how discovery works, for the most part.
Anyways on to my what I stated as my point earlier (And Dab, I would like your opinion on this please.)
Currently the AW acts as the Guardians of the Zoners. Protecting them. On the side AW also has it's own alliances. Both of these factors are fine to me.
HOWEVER! As such, being Guardians of Zoners (Which I find perfectly acceptable) means you guard them. If a *zoner* gets hurt, attacked or killed, THEN you come out guns blazing. But only IF! Think of it like being the "Zoner Juggernaut" that prevents the Corsairs from attacking FP9 to over-throw it.
Now if you did this it simply means the only change you would have to make is that you can't go killing every joe-blow in Theta just because they pirated a trader, killed an enemy faction member or whatnot. Yes, I understand you want to PVP and it gives you an excuse to do so. Use your side alliances for that, not the Zoner Guardian status.
Like I said Dab, I would really like a response from you on this idea. It requires no change in your RP, just a slight change in behavior.
Dab, Please re-read what I posted. I did not say that you would be Outcasts but only outcasted Zoners. I am sorry that I have not read AW's story or history (honestly..not sure where to find it). I was stating that your group was originally Zoners but chose to go "rogue" because of a young minds desire to head off and do something that it feels that its governing body is not. Kinda like becoming aware that some punk beat up the sweet 80 year old lady down the street who has looked after the neighborhood kids for like the last 40 years and the police refuse to do anything, so you and a couple of friends decide to go hunting. That kinda thing..to the "rogues" they are perfectly right and just in what they are doing, even when the ruling powers that be dont see it that way. That was my attempt to fit all the pieces together based on what I have read so far along in this post.
Not every faction is going to "fit in" perfectly to the cookie cutter style of RP that the current ID's offer. The world and universe for that matter is not just black and white..but several million shades of grey. Yes there are some things that should be black and white..but not everything.
Since I started this bloody mess, it's up to me to request its demise.
I am going to do two things to put the reverse thrusters on this situation; and to make it a bit less open for all and sundry to throw in their opinions, well-meaning or not.
First, I am going to open a topic for "Zoner Registry". I would like all ID'd and IFF'd Zoners, whether Independent or clan-affilliated, to make themselves known. Even though the Asgard Warriors have their own ID, they will be included in the Zoner Registry. Period. Unless there is strong objection, this "registry" will go under the Factions section.
This list will then be used to form a Sector-wide "Council of Zoners". I propose that with the exception of AW, members must be fully ID'd and IFF'd as Zoner, in order to vote on any Council decisions. If a character for RP reasons does not have both, they should be allowed to contribute, but not to vote. I propose that this be done in full roleplay; and that the "Council" thread should be placed accordingly.
I intend to convene the first session of this Council of Zoners shortly. Surprisingly enough, the first order of business will not be about AW. I have received a request from a yet-to-be-named group for permission to use Gran Canaria as a base of operations. As I know there are many independent Zoners out there, as well as neutral traders who frequent Omega 49, I am not comfortable in making this decision alone. I am awaiting permission from this group to make its name and its request public. If they choose not to do so, then I will be comfortable in denying their request, at least as spokesperson for the TAZ.
The TAZ have been given the rights to Baffin. We will be moving our Headquarters there as time goes on. But, we do not intend to give up our holdings, nor our rich RP, on Gran Canaria. I will do everything in my power to ensure that Omega 49 remains a Zoner enclave, and that Port Canaria remains a "Temporary Autonomous Zone". However, this will require the efforts of ALL Zoners, not just the TAZ.
With that said, I believe a padlock is now in order on this bad boy. Moderator, if you will, please....
Zoner Council or no, I would still like to hear Dabs response to my OOC post.
DarkOddity Wrote:I don't think this issue should be let rest. A resolution needs to be reached or it is just going to come back up in the future.. I guarantee it. That's how discovery works, for the most part.
Anyways on to my what I stated as my point earlier (And Dab, I would like your opinion on this please.)
Currently the AW acts as the Guardians of the Zoners. Protecting them. On the side AW also has it's own alliances. Both of these factors are fine to me.
HOWEVER! As such, being Guardians of Zoners (Which I find perfectly acceptable) means you guard them. If a *zoner* gets hurt, attacked or killed, THEN you come out guns blazing. But only IF! Think of it like being the "Zoner Juggernaut" that prevents the Corsairs from attacking FP9 to over-throw it.
Now if you did this it simply means the only change you would have to make is that you can't go killing every joe-blow in Theta just because they pirated a trader, killed an enemy faction member or whatnot. Yes, I understand you want to PVP and it gives you an excuse to do so. Use your side alliances for that, not the Zoner Guardian status.
Like I said Dab, I would really like a response from you on this idea. It requires no change in your RP, just a slight change in behavior.
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