Give Core a Heavy Battleship

[Jessitrescott]

People seem to care more about Zoner Tears than about anything the Council does.


I honestly have to smirk each time I see this discussion. "We can't have a heavy battleship, so nobody else should have one!" -> "I don't have much Sci-Data, so nobody else should have it!"

Half of the people here are treating this thread like flood, the other half wants to nerf things that aren't in any way related to the actual point. Yes, Core and Order heavies would be neat. The Megalodon model looks not bad at all. The Order Dreadnought is in the game as well. Things are there. People want heavy battleships because it is a different way of playing them than playing light battleships. Meanwhile, Nomads have two Marduks and two models for the Ish'tar. I think if Lyth would have simply done the Megalodon RP he teased two years ago already and requested an unique SRP ship to at least have the Megalodon in the game would have resulted in it becoming a faction perk that later could had even opened to indies. Looking at it now, it looks like Lyth wants the full package at once, which honestly looks from the other perspective like a demand.

The way things are demanded and discussed, it will looks to me like the Yellows are less likely to agree with it. Trial by forum doesn't help anyone. On the other hand, it is infuriating to see Thebes and Megalodon not being a thing while they practically exist, while Nomads and Corsairs and even Outcasts (indies) frequently fight stuff in Delta. With Ranseurs and Legates, and I do it as Ish'tar since the new Marduk is quite a weird medium battleship.

no, its not the same thing has "i dont have much sci-data so nobody else should have it" sci data is fair game and can be obtained by anybody provided they put time and interest in it, jesus christ. This on the other hand is very much different, the devs are stopping us from getting another battleship which was approved by the previous dev team, the devs are very clearly favoring certain factions over the other.

secondly there are too many pepole trying to push this post into flood, yes.

thirdly zoners shouldnt be farming Nomads in the first place, i dont know why they havent been slapped by the Order,core,corsairs and outcasts.

the core dreadnaught would've gotten into the game if we had submitted the files before lyth got permabanned , the model was very much approved and the only thing lacking was the files had not been submitted yet.

also i heard that the RM light battleship "elbe" is getting converted into a proper carrier which leaves us with alot of questions, none of the house factions have 2 battleships in a sense. the only factions having 2 battleships are the corsairs,outcasts,nomads all of these factions are mainly playing in the omicrons, so why not give core and order the second battleship they lack ?

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[Foxglove]

See, I would be on board with the 'give Core a heavy battleship' train if Order would get the Thebes as heavy battleship as well. The point is still that Order and Core are balanced against one another, just like Corsairs are balanced against the Outcasts, which are their main enemy.

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[Jessitrescott]

Again the Megalodon

See, I would be on board with the 'give Core a heavy battleship' train if Order would get the Thebes as heavy battleship as well. The point is still that Order and Core are balanced against one another, just like Corsairs are balanced against the Outcasts, which are their main enemy.

i dont think any members from Core is actually stopping people from order to submit a heavy battleship model and get it approved, if anything its the dev team, the order supposedly wanted a med bs for reasons. The reason why i started this thread was to give more importance to the faction's lore, core is the faction trying to farm nomad remains. I read your previous post and i'll tell you why the mako is not a suitable farmer, although the mako is a very good dodger it has very bad broadside arcs , the small size of the ship also means that you have to be more closer to the npcs so your shots can connect, the npcs also spawn very much closer to you and fly in very wierd angles making it hard to dodge, a heavy battleship also has a decent survivability rate which means you can survive 2~3 waves where as with a mako you might only survive 1~2, there is a reason why farmers mainly use heavy battleships to farm instead of light battleships.

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[Antonio]

Honestly the biggest mistake dev team made was shooting themselves in the foot by giving a heavy BS and a battlecruiser to CR while not giving a heavy BS to Core. Anyone from a mile away can see that it's unfair treatment and will result in people pointing it out, rightfully so (gameplay perspective only, not interested in inRP reasons as player assets are not lore assets and for PvP in general it's better to have as many ships as possible to choose from).

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[Titan*]

also i heard that the RM light battleship "elbe" is getting converted into a proper carrier which leaves us with alot of questions

its not, elbe is already a carrier

https://discoverygc.com/wiki/Capital_Shi...y_Carriers
https://discoverygc.com/wiki/%22Elbe%22_...nd_Carrier

[Jessitrescott]

also i heard that the RM light battleship "elbe" is getting converted into a proper carrier which leaves us with alot of questions

its not, elbe is already a carrier

https://discoverygc.com/wiki/Capital_Shi...y_Carriers
https://discoverygc.com/wiki/%22Elbe%22_...nd_Carrier

its the only carrier that can fire heavies backward which makes it stand out from the other carriers, hence effectively a battleship (i think it also fires all 4 prims backwards ? ).

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[LaWey]

There actually planned reworking carriers from their BS alike use. So it cannot be an argument.

[Lythrilux]

I find the idea of an elitist faction on the edge of the world with no allies in the Omicrons and all enemies (Order, Nomads, Corsairs, Outcasts, AI, Hessians, SCRA, Zoners ALL hate Core) that keeps winning and expanding laughable. No matter the financial support from IC or whatever else you come up with, you're too small of a faction both population-wise and space-wise to be able to keep up with everyone else just in the Omicrons, let alone colonize a planet, expand into Omegas and Sigmas and so on.

You can say "high-tech weaponry", but you're still way too outnumbered to close the gap. No other faction has such terrible diplomacy except the Nomads, such a faction IRL would get crushed and squeezed by everyone relatively quickly. There's no mechanic for that in Discovery nor do I say "delete Core", but you're roleplaying it in a way that it's powergamed to the skies.

Fixed that list of factions slightly. I also really wouldn't consider Coalition an Omicron faction. We technically do have regional allies, LSF, BDM, KNI, they're just not hugely active from a gameplay pov in the requirement we need (but mad props to them for showing up when they do, every little helps). I'm not going to be inviting House capitals into the Omicrons though. I don't think anyone wants that, nor giving House Militaries huge ZoI extensions to places they shouldn't really be.

The Core set foot on Nauru before Order even touched Toledo, and was slowly nurturing it to its current state since then, I also think The Core's rate of population scaling (lawful, backed and in good standing with the major Sirian Houses, criminal and Slave importation) would considerably buff their numbers in the 30 odd years they've been around. However, I'll say that playing numbers in Disco is a migraine-inducing experience, and as such, you'll notice in my writings I tend to keep the actual numbers vague or make 'compared estimates' to other factions.

Two more things to note: The Core actually isn't expanding into the Omegas - the Omegas are more like a 'frontier' where we just look for technology, rather than trying to establish territories. Furthermore, the Sigma expansion stuff wasn't my idea and was kind of thrown on us, so please don't hold me accountable for that. Battlecruiser Luna will be getting removed as a base.

I'll say high-tech weaponry as much as I want. Compared to Core and Order (with AI and Nomads above both of them), the rest of the factions in the Edge Worlds are using toothpicks to fight. Technology makes a big difference in combat, and determines who has the edge. Although IRL examples compared to a space pixel game are silly, you can't deny that a gun is far more effective than a stick in combat. To cite IRL "factions", look at cases like the Vietnam War. They were backed by foreign powers and beat America of all countries.

I think when you're comparing sides you're treating encounters as if it the entirety of a factions forces vs each other in each engagement. If that was the case, of course, Core would get wiped out by i.e Corsairs if it was State vs State. In this specific example, the pressure is alleviated by Corsairs having to fight on multiple fronts as well as diverting their focus away from the Omicrons post-Yaren. Apparently according to lore the entire/majority Corsair Armada was present at Yaren which The Core beat - although even I have to admit I find it hard to believe The Core could succeed vs that, at least not without being totally wiped out themselves in the process.

I'd say the first step to you progressing your faction is improving diplomacy. Why are you hostile with everyone who's your direct neighbor? That's just asking for a disaster no matter how strong you are.

It's undeniable that the Omicron's early success as an activity generator was due to how every faction there hated each other. I'll admit, times have changed and we are buckling under the pressure of what is basically ooRP silliness, but that's exactly the point: if we go neutral or allied to our neighbours, we have no real guarantee or conviction that they'll actually help us. At best, they won't log on to shoot us at all. At worst, they'll just pick up another ID that can shoot us. What we need are more indies.

The reason why I cited lore is that apparently it was denied purely because of lore reasons (nothing specific, just based on whether you are or aren't a House faction).

You're roleplaying like Gallia while being a very, -very- small portion of its strength, without counting the established support from multiple corporations, colonized planets and so on that they have and you don't.

This is a perception we have never boasted, embraced or shown. It is entirely of your own making.

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[Alex.]

This is not flood. I've removed around 10 posts from this thread.

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[eigos]

Honestly the biggest mistake dev team made was shooting themselves in the foot by giving a heavy BS and a battlecruiser to CR while not giving a heavy BS to Core. Anyone from a mile away can see that it's unfair treatment and will result in people pointing it out, rightfully so (gameplay perspective only, not interested in inRP reasons as player assets are not lore assets and for PvP in general it's better to have as many ships as possible to choose from).

^All of that is true.

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