How should Zoners "behave"?

[Fellow Hoodlum]

If I see this thread kicking off towards flaming Dab, it is my bounds mate ... And you will be of a mind to
remember that. There was nothing bordering on in till Tank came in and told every one to shut up.
Its a public forum, and everyone here was expressing an opinion, as is their right here. How you choose to
deal with it is also yours.
You and Tank may have your mutual appreciation society currently, but the AW high command, as you put
it are the ones to answer I believe, not the rank and file shouting everyone down.
Now step off the high horse, it doesn't fit you.

Hoodlum

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[Smiley_]

That being said, I would like to add something.

The Zoners are famous for their neutrality, however, if you look on the AW faction page, they describe themselves as "Militaristic Mercenaries." True, they have their own ID, but they buzz around the Zoner guard system and claim to be zoner guards.

If they are in fact zoners, their actions should reflect that. If they aren't, they should not be in controll of omicron 74.

As for the neutrality aspect, they are allied or friendly with every outcast-based faction there is. Rouges, GC, and blood dragons included. They call themselves peace keepers, yet they say that they are mostly unlawful and such. If their intentions are noble, and they do infact keep the so-called peace in omicron theta, why are all the house factions listed as unfriendly? If they are unlawful, that would suggest that they bully traders. If they do not do these things, why are they unlawful?

Oh, and they are friendly with the order who are friendly with the corsairs, to which the AW are hostile to!

Gah, too many inconsistencisies! My head hurts!:(

[bluntpencil2001]

I will attempt to counter Dab's response, without any added flames.

Firstly, he claims that this is a public bashing. This isn't fair, the others, save TT, have tried to be civil and merely wish an explanation to which they are entitled.

Right, Dab claims not to have initiated any hostilities in Zoner space.

This is not true.

The AW declared war on the SCRA for attacking the HF in Zoner space. Now, this is something the Zoners don't care about, as Zoners. They happily let folk like Bounty Hunters, Corsairs and Outcasts fight in Theta. Why would they care about the HF/SCRA?

The Zoners, whom the AW claim to protect, don't care. They aren't the ones getting shot.

However, the AW declared war to protect their allies. Who are NOT Zoners and who WEREN'T paying them as mercenaries.

If you want a faction to be a bunch of warmongers, admit it, noone will hold it against you. Hell, quite a few current factions are warmonger scum, but at least they attempt to make it obvious. See: SCRA, NovaPG.

Now, if you could either A) Act like Zoners or B) Stop claiming to be Zoners when it suits you, people would complain a lot less.

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[Equinox]

Hello,

I had the unfortunate encounter with the AW last evening. THis is what I have to say. Please undertand, it is an Objective report. Take it as you may.
First of all I am [\JG/]Rakghoul.
The Jupiter Guild call themselves the Zoner Mercs. We do not take sides in any battle unless there are two things that qualifiy us to do so.
1. Some one pays us to fight
2. Some one attacks us or pirates us.
We DO NOT initiate contact otherwise. Yesterday I was hired by a corsair in a Titan to take out one target(the annoncement was made in the system) where the AW fighting him heard him too. I was specifically told to take out one fighter. I engaged and was immediately engaged by your two members. I had no gripe with them as it was a simple kill mission against one player(for which I was being paid 2 million). Any how I tried to retaliate against the AW cap ship and found out that my engine kill was not working. I turned on the cruise so I could type back to him ooc:
My z key is not working please let me dock and undock so I can solve the problem. you may check my batt and nano count when I come out. I will not repair or add any thing else.
To which they replied NO you cruised away so you are dead. I repected his call and stopped fighting.
Whjle I was sitting there, I realized that HF was fighting the corsairs too (in Omega 5 mind you). Now that makes no RP sense to me.
Explain to me, 3 AW (Zoner Guard) and one HF (Lane hacker) ware attacking a titan in Omega 5?
When I tried to ask this question in system chat? I was told to shut up as they were fighting and I was annoying them and they would report me to the admin. That really ticked me off but I tried to keep civil about it. After the fight was over, I asked the HF what he was doing in O5 and he stated we was mapping systems and looking for a JH to Omega 15 and was called over by AW to help them. Now arent AW neutral to HF ? and arent HF not Mercs ? How is this alliance taking place?

Last but not least Smiley was hired to come and help out the Corsair (he is a known Zoner Merc). He announced before he attacked that he was there on Behalf of the Corsairs and was going to side with them and attack the AW. To which suddenly the AW realized they were zoners.
" You cant attack us? we are Zoners like you".
When I get home I will forward you the screenies of this battle if you are interested. Hope you AW can come up with a good compromise so we can all enjoy RP. Also through out the fight, AW are yelling at the Corsair to not to Run into them. Mind you the poor gus is in a fighter against 4 Caps and trying to stay alive in a asteroid field. Please be considerate of the other players situation. He cant even take your shields down.
You know mates. I really want to play RP and a few things bother me. If you are a Zoner Guard ? why are you guys in Omega 5 attacking Corsairs, who hired you? Can't I go and buy Corsair rep in FP9 ? Why are the AW so confused about their identity(havent you guys been here...like forever ?). I think Zoner Guard is an oxymoronic faction. Why do you need Guards for a faction that is neutral to all??. Well I am relatively new compared to you guys so I am curious what the AW's stand is on this matter. Peace.

Erm sorry to barge into this thread with completely unrelated comments to which this thread was started but i must reply to this message.

You cruised away, meaning your out the battle, you said it your self "im out guys don't shoot", once you have hit cruise you have left the battle and are essentially dead.

Now i have quite a few screen shots of all the out of char chat you did for the whole 40 minute "RP" battle we where engaged in, you ruined that fight, with all your OOC chatter, how are people supposed to fight when your filling the screen with compleate blabble, which is i might add is against SERVER RULES.

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[Korrd]

Sigh.. Not again..


I only see one solution to this. And that is to complete the AW migration from Zoners to AW. The only thing needed is to add an AW NPC group like we did with the phantoms. That way, AW would no longer be aligned with the Zoners.

I think that AW and Phantoms are the only factions that does not fit with any NPC due to their odd diplomacy and goals.

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[bluntpencil2001]

There's the SCRA too, Korrd. You know this.

This train of thought won't go anywhere.

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[DarkOddity]

I'm sorry to say, but I don't think NPC factions should start getting handed out because they cannot RP with the intended mechanics and atmosphere of the Discovery Universe.

I guarantee all such a course of action will do is promote this kind of behavior:
"You don't like my factions RP? Then make the admins create one for me!"

Not to mention, it looks like an abuse of power. They already have their ID, just remove/change any information that links them to the Zoners and move them somewhere else.

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[pipsqueak]

Erm sorry to barge into this thread with completely unrelated comments to which this thread was started but i must reply to this message.

You cruised away, meaning your out the battle, you said it your self "im out guys don't shoot", once you have hit cruise you have left the battle and are essentially dead.

Now i have quite a few screen shots of all the out of char chat you did for the whole 40 minute "RP" battle we where engaged in, you ruined that fight, with all your OOC chatter, how are people supposed to fight when your filling the screen with completely usefully blabble, which is i might ad against SERVER RULES.

Thanks for initiating the contact. Perhaps you will also admit that after I explained my situation of Z key not working you said NO, you are out. I obliged and sat next to the other dead fighter for the rest of the battle. Perhaps you also have the screenie of an AW yelling to Smiley that You cant attack us We are Zoners. If not let me know. I can help you with that.
My problem is that I am not sure if I attacked a brother faction. The battle is done and over with. I just need to know, as a Zoner merc, what should be JG's Stance towards AW on this matter. If you are Zoners we are allies. If you are attacking players in other systems without provocations then you are not zoners, the best we are is neutral. I seriously thought you guys were BH. Seeing an AW yell on the system: Don't shoot I am a Zoner concerns me as we consider ourselves Zoner too. Hope this explains a little ..Koord, please help me out with this one. I am not trying to flame any one...please...

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[bluntpencil2001]

I'm sorry to say, but I don't think NPC factions should start getting handed out because they cannot RP with the intended mechanics and atmosphere of the Discovery Universe.

I guarantee all such a course of action will do is promote this kind of behavior:
"You don't like my factions RP? Then make the admins create one for me!"

Not to mention, it looks like an abuse of power. They already have their ID, just remove/change any information that links them to the Zoners and move them somewhere else.

My thoughts exactly.

I understand that it is hard for the AW to RP a faction that doesn't have their own tag, but the problem lies in their linking themselves to the Zoners so tightly.

They don't act like Zoners, which is fair enough, but they act like the Zoners' own House Police... which isn't.

If they claim to be mercenaries, a Zoner tag can still work, but they should keep their warfare a strictly commercial business, or use it to defend their own pilots, the Order or the GMG, within reason.

EDIT: Actually, Pipsqueak makes a good point. Maybe Bounty Hunter tags would work for such a mercenary faction?

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[Korrd]

Thats why I think that a system with AW NPC should do, as we did with the phantoms. That way the AW would end up completely disconnected from Zoners, and would be able to do his trick without having to Violate faction specific RP rules.
I don't see any other NPC faction that could serve the purpose.
Remember that AW was created long ago, during the early RP eras. Zoner rep was chosen because it would fit it the best, to a degree. Before that, AW was not aligned to any NPC, and AW space spawned over almost all of the Omicrons, Taus, Omegas and Sigma systems.
We limited their space to Theta, and give it Zoner rep mostly to limit it and avoid it from taking over the whole sirius sector.

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