Quote:They are way outside their zoi, oh wait they are multi id'd they must have special Rp to go wherever then?
ZOI isn't concerned about where ships can go. ZOI is concerned about where players can make demands and fulfill specific lines (mainly those ending with "within their zone of influence). Liberty Rogues can assist their Rheinland allies, because no line forbids them and any ID can assist allies both within and outside ZOI.
TL;DR, you can go anywhere with any ID, but you must keep to the ZOI, if you want to fulfill certain lines.
These guys were pirating in Rheinland....
If they were assisting their Rheinlander allies, they are good by rules. Loophole, but still legal action, provided they are lead by their Rheinland-ZOI ally.
Same can be applied to the Liberty-Bretonian encounters in, let's say, New London. Even though they can support BAF against GRN, LN cannot initiate combat first if alone, because they are outside the ZOI.
In simple words, most IDs work this way:
1) Inside ZOI - you have an active role, e.g. you can initiate attacking and other certain actions, unless stated otherwise in certain lines.
2) Outside ZOI - you have a passive role, e.g. you can only defend yourself, unless stated otherwise in certain lines.
I think this has always been a point of contention between you and I. You believe that roleplay hinges on formal roles and a somewhat predefined script or over-arching story where we all operate as set-pieces in a larger, predefined plot, where I think it hinges on in-game events and actions. To take Moka, for instance. The greatest Rogue I have ever experienced, most of my unlawful Liberty characters would do anything he asked, as that character truly earned the title of Warlord. To me, and thus ultimately my characters, the formal title holds absolutely zero value, but there's no doubt that Moka truly is a warlord. I believe a principle of meritocracy should govern the distribution of formal power on the server, in other words, rather than just simple association. Anyone can put a tag on a ship and a title in front of their character's name.
(12-23-2014, 10:42 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: Go play a freelancer, a zoner or choose any other faction without hierarchy if you don't want a boss above your head.
Well, the thing is that a lot of the factions in their offset are supposed to be non-hierarchical - that goes for most of the unlawful groups, where the jungle law rules to some extent. When I pick up an Outcast ID or a Rogue ID, I do so on the premise that there is no clear-cut hierarchy, which is why the unlawful official factions' consistent desire to police their indies is problematic to me. Now if the official factions insist that there is a hierarchy within the NPC faction and they are right at the top of that hierarchy, how do I challenge that when I believe it is wrong both in and out of roleplay? We're not talking navies fighting navies here, we're talking one group of hard-hitting tough guys with little regard for laws dealing with another group of hard-hitting tough guys with little regard for laws. In my opinion, things would have been a lot better if we all just played minor roles, i.e. we roleplay a Liberty Rogue gang, rather than the Liberty Rogue gang. There's that unchecked desire to be the king of everything, and it creates nothing but discord.
(12-23-2014, 10:45 PM)Black Widow Wrote: The outcome is irrelevant what is key here is that said group are breaching ID rules which state 1 id per tag. That is the bottom line.
Ok so the rules violation is solely a problem because it is a rules violation, and nothing but that? So if there wasn't a rule regarding this, you wouldn't perceive it as a problem, as it is the violation of the rule that irks you and not the outcome?
Mister Bkack Widow , we like playing for unlawfuls because lafwuls have alrady many numers and this is our favorite thing to do , like you like to jump our of a fight when you can't kill a lone cruise , but that dosent matter.
Ohh and also GNG tagged vessels are always using pirate ID and pirate ID dosent have a specific Zoi so we can go where we want. Our rogues veesel are tagged G and i dont think that you saw one in rheinland because is impossible.
Also Im not speakig as a GNG member ,Im just a player who have fun playing his favourite game.
At first I tried to keep up with the thread word by word but then I noticed repetition and simply skimmed through the second half.
It is sad to see that certain players, even vets, encourage burying ID rules and regulations in deep excrement simply for the sake of having activity, like any activity would be good activity. It's like praising <insert random dictator from IRL history here> for doing massive things, things big enough to get into history books, even if the majority of that was issuing mass genocide. Praising something not for it's quality, but mere existence. Do we really have to be this desperate? Do we really have to eat sh!t if there is no more steak?
It is also sad to see people questioning the (actually totally legit) sanctions of the Administration Team, even despite whom they sanctioned are seemingly okay with the consequences of their actions, also been stating that they acted in full knowledge of said consequences. For fech's sake, what's the point them?
You know what? Take your action elsewhere, bring the active playerbase over to Disco of Disco, or PTC Relaxed, or fech cares where, and do your mixed-ID PvP fests preceded by little to no RP there. If that's all you can crap out of yourselves, then do it elsewhere and let Disco finally die in dignity, as a Roleplay server, not as some rotten abomination which just doesn't resemble anything related to it's name anymore...
Technogeist, either you participate in the discussion and contribute with your points of views and help us understand what your opinions are and why, or you GTFO. This ain't flood.
(12-23-2014, 11:14 PM)Mímir Wrote: Well Thyrzul, have you fought with or against this group?
Do you have any idea about what you are talking about, or are you just jumping the bandwagon?
Do I have to fight them in-game to get the point that they are circumventing ID and tech restrictions, violating ID restrictions, server rules, and then admitting to them as well as to being totally okay with the consequences? Do I have to fight them in-game to see how you and some others are so eager to defend them simply because they create activity, and are not afraid to oppose all who think otherwise, be it done with either (attempts of) reason or ad hominem questions?
Nope, reading this thread, especially your responses, was pretty enough.
But I could just ask you similar questions too: Have you opened up this thread for the sake of creating a huge debate where you can call the opposing side 'bandwagon'? Tutashkhia is seemingly less worried about all of this than you, Jack and some others are. Are you arguing for the sake of arguing, are you opposing for the sake of opposing, or do you have anything to say in their defense other than "at least they create activity"?
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