Xeno Alliance Faction Feedback

[Orin]

First; I'm not XA. but I was the indy with those two XA.

You were caught pirating in Colorado.. Thats Xenos territory and we don't take kindly to people poaching in our yard. We didn't know what you were flying until we found you, and it doesn't really matter either. If we were three gunboats, then you'd have a right to complain. But three fighters, and you want to complain about that? Should two of us fly Starfliers just to appease you when our goal is to kill you, not have a pleasant friendly chat?

Well, first off, I’m not really complaining at all, but I’ll hit on that in a second. It would be a little nicer for you to create fairer battles, not 3-on-1 routs, but that’s alright. I’ll accede on my point there.

Furthermore, we chased you to Cassini, your guard system.. Most of the time people pull off and not enter the guard system to avoid the strong NPCs. And you.. Want to complain because we risked it to do what we thought was in-RP, catching you? Really, what did you want us to do in this situation? Just let you go, no consequences?

Think for a second here; if a pirate fled into the Badlands alone, and three [LN] chased him to Buffalo, what do you think the community would think? It’s really the same thing here, just with a few names switched out.

This isn't a complaint about how we conducted ourselves, for my wingmen were RPing excellently, while we got little back from you..

I was taking everything you said as serious and civil until that bit, which disappoints me a little, since the bolded section is a flat out lie. There were three of you, and the back and forth between us involved mostly myself and Pygmy out of the four RPers. Falcon offered a fair bit of RP too. I saw about three lines from you; one of them taunting me after I docked in Cassini. Please speak truthfully here.

This is a complaint simply because we chased you and weren't going to let you get away with doing whatever you damn well please..

Nope, actually it’s addressing something I think is PvP oriented, and poor form for an established, respected, official faction. If you don’t think so, sure, but I would kindly ask you back out of this, since I’m talking to the XA specifically.

This thread is here for constructive criticism and to let XA know how to better themselves. Not only is this unconstructive, but you provided absolutely no suggestions on how XA could fix or change what they do to make it better. This is because they did absolutely nothing wrong, so you can't suggest how to fix what isn't broken.

No, my first comment is opening the discussion, as it did. And since you want a suggestion, I’ll give one.

I simply don’t think chasing someone into their guard system is good form. Within RP, it should be hidden to them, for one; in which case following someone to its doorstep would turn that fact upside down. If you want to say I shouldn’t have run there, there really wasn’t anywhere else for me to run to. I was being chased by a noticeably superior force. The same as with a pirate fleeing into the Badlands, a Xeno should break off at that point. Why? He would quite possibly get himself killed within RP, running off into uncharted, hostile territory. I fly a Xeno as well, and I would never do this, as I think it’s bad form.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not implying that any of this is sanctionable or whatnot; I’m only putting in my opinion that this poor form for an official faction.

Is chasing a single bomber with a group of three regular for us? No.

Good to hear.

Is chasing a single bomber who pirated in Colorado perfectly legit and in-RP for us? Yes.

Okay.

Is chasing a single bomber into his own guard system, where he has the advantage and we certainly don't hurting RP? No.

In think it is. RP is all I care about here. I didn’t die, and even if I did, I wouldn’t care too much. RP is the point of this discussion.

Is it in-RP to do exactly what was described to attempt to fulfill our objectives, regardless of the risks to ourselves? Yes.

As I said, I don’t think so.

I didn't think we'd catch you since you had a big lead (and we didn't), the chase was entirely in RP for us since Colorado is our main base of operations, and it was a nice bit of RP we put into system chat.

I'm not exactly certain what you've got to complain about, Orin.

Semper Non Sequitur,

Glenn

My comments to Dab just about cover it.

[Unseelie]

A question has surfaced in the Phantom Feedback thread, which I thought needed the attention of both sides of the situation. It takes two to tango, in this case.

Ok, a ton of pages showed up and I missed several, but this is the general issue I've always had with the Phantoms and the idea that everyone fears them.

Many, many factions, particularly the unlawful ones, are in a conflict with an entire House. Even the smaller ones. So that means they would only really need to fear the Phantoms if the Phantoms were stronger than a House (otherwise, they wouldn't be tops on the worry about list). And if they ARE stronger, why have they yet to do anything? Even their major attack on Cambridge seems to be less than what a group of Corsairs did to Cork.

It just seems incongruous overall.

Otherwise ... You know...
About the hand holding with all pirates, I've always assumed that the unlawfuls/pirates are more scared/wary of angering the Phantoms than they are of the lawfuls. Still like Virus says, I'm surprised that some groups haven't tried to push them out. There's lots of RP opportunity between much of the pirates and Phantoms.

So, your faction has listed the Phantom empire as either friendly, allied, or neutral, or failed to mention the Phantoms, who are widely known as rather horrid, dangerous blokes, who may well call down reprisals from the house, or other houses, or even the corporations which might otherwise aid you.

A number of us are wondering what the rp justification for aiding such a dangerous group of maniacs is.

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[Dusty Lens]

So, your faction has listed the Phantom empire as either friendly, allied, or neutral, or failed to mention the Phantoms,

Neutral

Phantoms

I'm not sure where you got the friendly/allies/failed to mention them parts from. Maybe you were reading another thread?

Last time I checked the official standings, listed on the official faction posting and the first page of this feedback thread we had them listed as neutral. Which makes sense to me as I wrote it.

I use "we" loosly here, as I am no longer in the XA. But I'm 98% sure Tanker will forgive me for bringing the historical viewpoint to the table.

The neutral standings with the phantoms began as one of those age old things. Long before the XA existed, or even the SOL I imagine, the Phantoms were employing Xeno bases and weaponry etc. Much like the SCRA would eventually come to do.

Fast forward to today.

The Phantoms essentially perform three tasks that we find favorable.

1) They shoot the same people we shoot.
2) They distract the hell out of the law while they're doing it.
3) They do not shoot us while they're doing it.

On the long agenda list for the Xenos making enemies with a mysterious group of dangerously armed individuals whom possess a historically neutral standing that long pre-dates our wings tenure is somewhere on line with bathing or learning the Kusari tea ceremony.

It is worth noting that the Xeno movement is, to be brutally honest, a much more well known group of horrid, dangerous blokes who commit far greater acts of violence on a much larger scale than the occasional probings of a few Phantom slayers looking to stir up the nest in core space and rank much much higher on the ladder of public awareness.

Edit: Wow, first time in over a year that I've posted here. Almost a gravedig!

But that's politics I suppose.

[Unseelie]

I compiled a list from the Faction status, which is where I discovered (may have been wrong, but I suspect not, that you are in the friendly-neutral bracket with the phantoms. Which is where I -got- it.

I wonder that the Phantoms might, in addition to shooting the people you shoot, shoot people whom you don't shoot, or whom might even be your supporters..

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[Janus]

I compiled a list from the Faction status, which is where I discovered (may have been wrong, but I suspect not, that you are in the friendly-neutral bracket with the phantoms. Which is where I -got- it.

I wonder that the Phantoms might, in addition to shooting the people you shoot, shoot people whom you don't shoot, or whom might even be your supporters..

[Aphil]

I shall now bump this thread so that we may receive more feedback.

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[Dusty Lens]

Somewhere back there you boys lost the fire.

Hard to be the torch bearer if you're running cold.

[christopherwatts]

Up the Xeno's ! i only wish there were more pilots on when I am. Nome is a boring place by myself.

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[Penpen]

Bump for feedback! Sounds fair eh?

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[TFinnegan]

I'm sure the explanation will be as twisted and 'meta' as the .:j:.Congress has been accused of being....

But how does any of the following Jive with XA accepting assination bounties from KPT, a mortal enemy?

From the Wiki page on Xenos --HERE-- 1st sentence.

The Xenos are one of the most unpredictable criminal groups in the Sirius Sector, along with the fact that they're loosely affiliated most of their members are extremists opposed to any trade or other interaction with foreign entities

And even the Xeno Alliance page --HERE-- mentions Kusari repeatedly as an enemy force.
As [KPT] is not yet an official faction it would have to fall under either Kusari navy, Kusari police, or even Hogosha, all of which are declared hostile either under thier own monikers or covered by 'everyone else'.
(see above XA wiki page)

I can see why [KPT] would offer this to the Xenos, they both hate Junkers.
But the XA actually accepting it?
Really?

First the XA forges alliances with Phantoms (?)
then Kusari groups?
Unless I've misread the genesis of the faction's name, you guys skipped the tracks something fierce....

xe·no·pho·bia - noun \ˌze-nə-ˈfō-bē-ə,
-a dislike and/or fear of that which is unknown or different from oneself-
from the Greek words ξένος (xenos), meaning "stranger," "foreigner" and φόβος (phobos), meaning "fear

This would be like Outcasts offering bounties to Corsairs, and being accepted!

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