House law and Navy ID

[Highland Laddie]

Well, perhaps BAF or BPA would allow LN to assist in enforcing laws that both Houses share, but I'm sure there would be massive governmental problems with Liberty enforcing Liberty laws in Bretonian space.

Now....if Liberty was pursuing a smuggler/pirate across House lines...that might be an exception unless the pirate requests some sort of amnesty. But I doubt they'd get it unless there's some significant RP behind it. (LSI chases Rheinland intelligence agent in Bretonia, etc.)

[Ponge]

The systems, where Liberty Laws are enforced in, are listed in the laws themselves, right?
"In the house of Liberty, the following are classed as crimes:"

"The house of Liberty means the systems of New York, California, Colorado, Texas, Virginia, Yukon, Ontario, Alberta, Kansas, Minnesota, Illinois, Quebec, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and any immediately connecting independent systems, such as but not limited to Magellan and Hudson. Note, this is not a territorial claim to the referenced independent systems, which are widely recognised as neutral space."

So the laws themselves restrict Liberty laws and law enforcement to Liberty house space, am I correct?

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[Karst]

The systems, where Liberty Laws are enforced in, are listed in the laws themselves, right?
"In the house of Liberty, the following are classed as crimes:"

So the laws themselves restrict Liberty laws and law enforcement to Liberty house space, am I correct?

The problem is that the line specifically states "(....) within their Zone of Influence", which certainly sounds like it gives them the right to enforce Liberty laws in New London or whatever, as that's within their ZoI.

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[Pavel]

Imo it's problem with awful ID wording, nobody with some common sense would expect LN to enforce Liberty laws in Bretonia, they're there to fight Gallics, and perhaps secure lines from piracy. Surely not lolengage Rheinland ships and junkers. (even speaking hypothetically if they were, they still would've to issue demands to transports)

[Sarawr!?]

I just realized a bit of a problem with the Liberty Navy ID - it can enforce Liberty laws and engage enemies of Liberty, of course, but the ZOI includes Bretonian systems.

It should be modified to something along the lines of "can enforce house law" within their ZOI, because they should be enforcing Bretonian and not Liberty laws when in Bretonia.

The problem here is obvious as Bretonian and Liberty laws differ considerably, and right now they could, for example, engage Rheinland corporate ships or fine Junkers for flying pirate trains in Bretonia.

This is an unnecessary change, the Liberty Navy''s involvement in Bretonia, inRP is for the purpose of aiding the Bretonians in defending their lines against the Gallic Armed Forces, who are not an "unlawful" organization.

The Liberty Navy has no interest in enforcing laws within Bretonia, (obviously if they witness something that's criminal without a doubt, or they're attacked or accosted by Bretonian criminals, they could/should act) but primarily the Liberty Navy's "mission" is to help defend Bretonia against a legitimate enemy, not to police their territories.

We don't need Lib Capspam in Dublin hunting Mollys or some such garbage situation like that, the ID is fine the way it is.

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[Ponge]

I get what you say Sarawr!? but this is a loophole in the ID wording and it can be abused. And yes, as Pavel said, nobody with a common sense would do it. Bu you know, lolwuts...

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[Thargoid]

It can't be abused really, because admins sanction for breaking unwritten rules all the time.

[Karst]

This is an unnecessary change, the Liberty Navy''s involvement in Bretonia, inRP is for the purpose of aiding the Bretonians in defending their lines against the Gallic Armed Forces, who are not an "unlawful" organization.

The Liberty Navy has no interest in enforcing laws within Bretonia, (obviously if they witness something that's criminal without a doubt, or they're attacked or accosted by Bretonian criminals, they could/should act) but primarily the Liberty Navy's "mission" is to help defend Bretonia against a legitimate enemy, not to police their territories.

We don't need Lib Capspam in Dublin hunting Mollys or some such garbage situation like that, the ID is fine the way it is.

If they don't intend to enforce Bretonian laws, all the better. But the main issue here is that the way the ID is currently worded, it allows them to enforce Liberty laws in Bretonia.
If the agreement with Bretonia doesn't include anything other than fighting Gallics, fine. The wording of the ID should reflect that, then.

But even if you consider that Liberty law specifically mentions it only applies in Liberty:

"Can attack ships which are in violation of Liberty law or belong to a house or organization considered hostile by Liberty within their Zone of Influence"

It still allows them to engage, for example, Rheinland corporate ships in Bretonia.

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[SummerMcLovin]

I feel like people didn't listen to me

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[Ponge]

I feel like people didn't listen to me

Nah, we just like to brag about it even though you said it will be fixed.

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