How to balance/remove/nerf Jump trading for real.

[lIceColon]

I'm just going to drop the discussion with lIceolon as it's a painful circlurlar argument having to repeat my points over and over again in long walls of text.

Because repetition will somehow make your arguments more valid.

Jesus H Christ, 12 pages of this blatant parrot-talk defending jumptrading from Lythrilux' extremely valid points? This thread is SO full of these people just cradling their valuables, onoes, whatever will you do when you lose your precious PIXELS.

It's a ROLEPLAYING server. The emphasis is on ROLEPLAYING. If you can't find a proper, in-RP way to make your money, this place is not for you at all. 20 battleships with full deckouts doesn't mean good RP, and anyone who claims they do jumptrading for any reason but is a big fat liar.

I, myself, fly the Reluctant Strider proudly- It's a 3600 cargo ship, and guess what? I actually do fly places and RP while flying. Cause, you know, making money doesn't mean you magically get excluded from the RP requirements because you want to play another character and go get some blue messages. Horrifying thread.

It's painfully obvious that jumptrading was not intended as a result of involving jumpdrives into the game- So I agree the solutions would be either make the jumpdrives insanely hard to acquire, or perhaps modify them to be only mountable and usable by single vessels of cruiser class or above.

Yahweh Buddha Mohammed, 14 pages of this blatant parrot talk attacking jumptrading with Lythrilux' extremely invalid points? This thread is SO full of the people just cradling their encounters, blues, whatever will you do when you lose your precious chat pixels and to make the other guy lose his pixels.

It's a ROLEPLAYING server. The emphasis is on ROLEPLAYING. If you can't find a proper, in-RP way to make piracy, this place is not for you at all. 20 pro-piracy feature removal threads doesn't mean good RP, and anyone who claims they want to nerf Jump trading for any reason but is a big fat liar.

I, myself fly my trader proudly - It's a 4.3k cargo ship that often goes above plane, sometime hitchhikes a jumper and guess what, I actually do make credits while flying. Cause, you know, RP doesn't mean you magically get excluded from profits because you want everyone to be forced to face pirates and feed the pirate's other characters and their blue messages.

Horrifying thread.

It's painfully obvious that jumpdrives being useful was intended as a result of involving jumpdrives into the game- So I agree the solutions would be either make the jumpdrive insanely easy to acquire or perhaps modify it so it has better charge times and less fuel consumption.

[Sath]

It's a ROLEPLAYING server. The emphasis is on ROLEPLAYING. If you can't find a proper, in-RP way to make piracy, this place is not for you at all. 20 pro-piracy feature removal threads doesn't mean good RP, and anyone who claims they want to nerf Jump trading for any reason but is a big fat liar.

Then how does F1'ing in space while in an encounter, multiboxing, swearing, speaking some unknown form of language in an English server sound? I guess you would say that is also a form of roleplay. Earlier you said that you are not bothered by jump traders. Then why in the actual hell are you speaking in a discussion regarding jumpdrives? Please, don't contradict yourself, it looks meh.

[sindroms]

This thread needs to be nuked from orbit at this point.

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[lIceColon]

It's a ROLEPLAYING server. The emphasis is on ROLEPLAYING. If you can't find a proper, in-RP way to make piracy, this place is not for you at all. 20 pro-piracy feature removal threads doesn't mean good RP, and anyone who claims they want to nerf Jump trading for any reason but is a big fat liar.

Then how does F1'ing in space while in an encounter, multiboxing, swearing, speaking some unknown form of language in an English server sound? I guess you would say that is also a form of roleplay. Earlier you said that you are not bothered by jump traders. Then why in the actual hell are you speaking in a discussion regarding jumpdrives? Please, don't contradict yourself, it looks meh.

The blacks don't bother me. So suppose the government were to legalize the murdering of black people, I should not make any effort to interfere, because then I would just be contradicting myself.

[Ayatolah]

wohohoho kid! you're treading wrong! don't do such kinds of exmples, you could offend someone

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[Sath]

That was nowhere near to what I asked of you. Fine, "thread = going to be dead" anyway.

[lIceColon]

Nah, you just made a highly illogical statement and a completely inappropriate request.
"Stop poking your head into our business this doesn't concern you" now where have I heard that before?
Just because someone doesn't bother me does not mean I should be apathetic to them. You want to eject these players based on grounds and ideals that I don't share, naturally I won't cooperate with you.
So, y'know, eat your words or don't.

[Knjaz]

Sorry, but I personally (and I guess a good amount of people here) consider such piracy behaviour no less harming to the gameplay than silent powertraders or lolrussianminers. Even more, in fact, because it creates grudges and also makes any attempts to communicate with pirate useless, since you're going to end losing all you have in either way - while latter 2 can be taken as ambient life that can be bothered, or can be left alone by your own choice. You know, it kinda kills the whole amount of "Jumptrading is bad for RolePlay" arguments you've been coming up with here. It's players like you that are forcing traders to evade the encounter with pirate at all costs, be it flying above the plane, monitoring player chat or using jumpdrive.

Yet again. Space is dangerous. Which is exactly what I found out when you are your pals log the Outcast lolfeet to come take me down. You didn't seriously think I went into such forms of piracy without anticipating such resistance?
I could've pirated him anywhere other than T-29, and it's highly likey he would've comitted the same behaviour. Like, lets be honest I have to fight Salvagers and that's not always an easy job.

As I can see after 14 pages of discussion:

When your fun being ruined: Nerf it! It's OP! Balance team here pleas! Remove from Mod!
When to you ruin someones fun: Space is dangerouse!

Hardly. Jump trading is[/b[ a cancer. I've listed reasons why prior. [b]And yeah, space is dangerous. So what?

You're saying space is dangerous, and we should get over some lolpirate with full cargo demands at sellpoint, and deal with it.
I'll tell you - Life isn't fair. People can use jumpdrives to avoid you. Deal with it?

More so - Jump Trading is not a cancer. The current amount of trade routes to player count ratio is. Nothing prevents me from having 10+ miners and traders, and logging each of them in sequence in order avoid player interaction, depending on where the online is. And it will actually be cheaper than Jump Trading.
. And far harder to intercept, compared to Activiity Hub JumpTrading I've been involved in recently, where jumps are made from a point that is swarming with pirates, literally. I think this is obvious?

Next. I absolutely hate trading. And mining. But I also fly caps only, and minimum cost of a single character for me starts from 300 millions. Therefore, I had to go into powermining/trading, to minimize the amount of time I spend on activity I absolutely hate. Main thing I've learned from it:

Convoys and group efforts in general are bad for income and for safety of your cargo, from the powertrader's PoV Taking into account all factors, a 5k'er with Au8, no guns, and proper IFF is a far better approach in terms of earned cash/spent time. Yes, eve°thann organized IMG convoys. The only place where group activity is really required for is Jump Trading. Therefore, Jump Trading bands together all those powertraders that would usually be flying alone in some God forgotten systems with 0 players around.

With abovementioned in mind, the only realistic problem you'd have with Jump Trading is people making more cash. Well, once again - life isn't fair, and space is not an easy space to live either, in addition to being dangerous.

Knjaz, butthurt much?

Kinda agree. Though, I'm not butthurt about someone being a **** with traders - I've seen enough of that during my stay here, nothing new.
What irritates me, is hypocrisy on the level of US States Department and Kremlin's Propaganda machine. When a guy with one of the worst pirate behaviors possible wears himself a shiny armor and goes on holy crusade against ebil jumptraders, that do no allow him to pirate ppl the way he wants.
I've seen enough of that hypocrisy bull**** on politics related forums, and now I'm meeting same thing here. Butthurt indeed, need to meditate on these matter, prolly.

Your group of so called friends, whom you are working along with in game ona daily basis, are doing all kinds of OORP activites, and you are speaking here defending them, with no dignity whatsoever. Stuff like, F1'ing their jumpship right in front of my eyes, and bringing in his trade ship to get filled up, and openly swearing in the system chat. I didn't want to spoil that little party of yours by reporting it to the admins, though I still have proof of all that.

I'm not going to thank you for that, since the more often rule violators get bashed with the sanctionhammer, the quicker they learn. That last one helped me to bash some sense into him. When done on a rightful basis, that is - because there're certain questions regarding certain moments of the rules, but those are to be discussed in a different place.

One thing that seems problematic to me, though - that TX field limits the vision range on all scanners to 8k. What happens when someone F1's at 12k, thinking that nobody around?
Remember that while writing your sanction reports, which I sincerely hope you will do. Anyway, it's offtopic here.

When we started pirating your group of freinds in Texas, they bought pirate ID bombers to fight us. When as, an outcast in Tau 37, we were fighting those pirates, you come along in your sarissa, along with another tridente and for godsake, a Blood Dragon bomber and threaten to fire upon me and another outcast.

Oh, so was it you who came up with the brilliant idea of creating a scrap metal embargo on Malta? http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=117609
Just in order to harm our group? (these pirates were hired to deal with that guy).

True RolePlay. And you people are saying that JumpTrading hurts Roleplay environment? I'd humbly recommend to take a look in the mirror. Just, next time do not create a corsair that is installing a Food embargo on Crete. Please.

You are working with a group of people, out of which one of them was banned for multiboxing (yes, for multiboxing and jump trading all day long, gathering billions). You dont have any dignity to speak here. You are just a troll. Go away.

That was his problem, I've arrived back on this server several days ago. Merely joined their group and helping these newbies (yes, majority of them are newbies, some even didn't play the damn vanilla campaign) to sort out the mess they've been getting themselves into.

As for going away... there's a little red cross on the rop right of the screen. Might help you.

For everyone speaking here, how does the above situations seem to be a good quality of RP? You guys don't even see/interact with the jumptraders before blindly speaking here, just for the sake of defending something you don't have an idea about. If you guys just want to have stuff in the expense of less quality of RP, there are several "relaxed RP" and "No RP 24/7" servers. Kindly.

Oh, but I'm pretty sure alot of them interacted with lolpirates instead. Lyth had some very good reasoning in his argumentation, I give him that, but that's kinda washed away by his pattern of in-game behavior. [/quote]

[Sath]

Scrap metal embargo? uwot?

[Knjaz]

Scrap metal embargo? uwot?

The reason for Tau 37 brawl yesterday, the one you mentioned, where I interevened with JumpRissa in the very end. Pirate ID'ed chars tied to break the blockade, a bunch of pirates/outcasts/junker came to help that genius while he gtfo'ed somewhere.
From your response I see that situation is even bigger mess than I hoped it'd be.

At least that starts to resemble good ol' Dublin goldrush times. Means, activity.
Anyway, stopping on that encounter , total offtopic here.

But JDs exactly allow you to avoid such nonsense.