Barge Owners - Inquire Within

[Gytrash]

Roses are red, Violets are blue. Zoners have caps, cause civis do too.

Your argument is invalid because Violets are in fact violet, not blue.
P.S: The much flamed upon proposed overhaul of Zoner caps would've actually turned their full line of full-on warships into a definition of "capital vessels" more in line with the concept of Bustard - Capital ships that aren't warships. Amusingly ironic that you burst into flames when that one was proposed but consider this one perfectly ok; and since you consider this one perfectly ok, maybe we should now revisit that idea as well, considering things are more in perspective now.

Sorry but no, Civillians, can have capships that have capship hull and cruiser weapons, Zoners, an actual group, can indeed, field better stuff.
And this was never discussed with the Zoner cap reworkl, we were merely told "You're losing capships, they're becoming transports with hulls and weapons to match"
False equivalence is no equivalence, I believe you are referring to the much more popular option which was summarily ignored by devs and admins alike at the time which was to A) leave them as is or B) make them a more defensive/passive shipline which would bring them in line with the bustard as you have suggested in this post.
Please remember, cruiser guns and large hull were never discussed.
Oh, and here's the complete text of that post for your perusal, the phrases "Take on a wing of nomad npcs" and "Able to stand up to a pirate transport" and "This is all in your heads, not in the stats" spring to mind

yes, the poll was reviewed and interpreted. - there is a single majority of people wishing to keep things as they are and two groups of people either for a balance change or a change of roles of Zoner ships. - then there is a minor position of people either undecided or wishing for something else.
We have concluded that there is a combined majority of players wishing for change though - which beats the single majority wishing for no change whatsoever. This is an interpretation to which we stand.
due to the nature of the results though we have decided not to go as far as we originally planned but to compromise. ( yes, the dreaded term that many ppl misunderstand or are unable to put to practice )
while the original plan had been to revise the ENTIRE zoner capital ship fleet - we are now only focussing on the biggest caps anymore. - the nephiilim, aquillon and leviathan.
we will not touch the roles and stats of the minor caps like fearless and corvo - and we will also keep the conference as is.
to be more precise7
nephilim:
this is the most prominent candidate - and the one that may have cause the most immersion-breaking-problems. Its original purpose ( 4.82 and before ) was to be a secret zoner dreadnought of immense power, capable of withstanding an entire corsair taskforce and able to rain retribution upon whoever threatened the freeports.
its purpose and role changed to that of a semi-generation-ship or rather a ship for extended missions and semi capable autonomy.
the role of the ship will focus on that aspect - and the ship is about to become a sort of superliner with teeth. - think of a battletransport in of greatest size - not capable of withstanding any serious assault, but capable of defending vs. the occasional attackers ( like a wing of nomad NPCs ) - while being able to take a lot of punishment and ferry a large amount of goods ( maybe comparable to a minibarge - but for the sake of game mechanics - thats all rather in your heads and not in the stats )
look and feel of the ship is meant to be more like a superlarge utility ship that is meant to operate long long long periods of time on its own, sustaining its crew.
the ship won t be capable of assaulting other ships even half its size though but maybe it might be capable of taking the damage to get to a friendly port. - for that matter we must hope that other ( non zoner ) players respect the new role, too and do not attack "just cause they can" but only if they have sufficient RP and reason for it. ( but thats a lost cause i know )
the aqullon:
the original role of that ship was a short-mission-patrol-carrier, the only true zoner military ship. it is rather small and compact atm. its armament is fairly average though.
it will be replaced by a battletransport, kind of a typical type of that class. it will be meant to be a sort of ship that can take on a pirate transport or equivalent and or scare minor attackers away - while having the armor to get to a friendly port.
another ship that won t be used much for attack but for defense.
the leviathan:
right now the TAZ have one and the phoenix have one. those two ships will be converted to nephilims ( current ones ) - and the leviathan model will be removed from the mod. - they will become two actual military grade flagships - getting the current nephlims stats and model and serve as what the original intent of the juggernaut was for ( minus the lore of awesomeness and plus the stigma of balance )
the final word of balance is NOT uttered yet. it is a semi finished concept - but the intent to proceed is there.
the zoner fleet will become a more utility ship based fleet with minor military assets. they will keep the cruisers and gunboats for light and heavy military support but won t have enough to actually cause trouble for their neighbours ( outcasts, corsairs ) - who in turn should take that into consideration.
it is felt that possessing anything up to cruisers is sufficient to survive in the omicrons while not having grand ambitions about conquest - and that superliner /transport ships is of more use for zoners. - the nephilim replacement should serve well for any peaceful roleplay conducted by players who wish to fly the huge exploration vessels. it is not yet clear if they will only do transport weapons - or if they can mount hybrid weapons ( like transport + GB or so )
current replacements:
http://p3d.in/fW2Cn
top to bottom : (unused) , aquillon, nephilim
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/0...73tybs.png
aquillon
http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/0...75se24.png
nephilim
no need for a leviathan picture, cause it ll use the current nephilim model.
you may discuss things here or even point fingers and get mad. - constructive ideas may be considered but rants or other unpleasent stuff will be ignored.

I will also remind you that there were a large number of irregularities in the voting that I pointed out at the time and the fact that despite the clear majority not wanting such a ridiculous change to be implemented the devs interpreted that as the mandate to implement the least popular motion from said poll.
This despite said devs voting themselves in the poll and various obvious alts like faction accounts voting in the poll and having their votes calculated in the final tally.
Also
Roses are red, Violets are blue, your argument is invalid, because you don't know what you're talking about.

[Thyrzul]

Zoners, an actual group

Lol. I like how you used singular where plural is the appropriate

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[Doria]

says the not-a-zoner-at-all

[Gytrash]

Shows what you know Thyr.

"An actual groups"
Honestly.

[Lythrilux]

Sure, Zoners can have easy to kill transports that have some drawbacks coupled with a few pieces of capital ship weaponry. As long as it takes their caps away it's a suggestion that'll make us all happy.

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[Doria]

Meanwhile to completely retcon a faction's lore to steal its cap line is ok.

[Thyrzul]

So that's what "plural" means for you. A single -s suffix added to a noun without anything else.
Such Engirsh, much gramer. Wow.

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[Cælumaresh]

Please Thyr....




On a more serious note: Why do people complain about this ship. If you take a close look at its stats you can see its hardly OP (Exept for maybe the amount of Docking Modules). Moreso, since everyone can use it. I cant see the harm in adding it myself.

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Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum

[Lythrilux]

Meanwhile to completely retcon a faction's lore to steal its cap line is ok.

Meanwhile you still can't read.

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[Tarator]

Hopefully this is the end of the zoner's 21 turrets of neutrality, that was really ridiculous.
Zoners having caps, supporting military grade weaponry and armor is like as if gaians would be riding hegemons to mine gold in dublin, its just that much ridiculous.

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